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this hope radio for the masses Atlanta

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between July 8 1947 the Army Air Forces

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has an armed start applying their -

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found and there's now in the possession

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of the army the game is rigged changed

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the game changer I occasionally think

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how quickly our differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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this is fade to black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer radio

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network and kgraney the global radio

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I need your help to get to the year

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with Jimmy judge on the game changer

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good evening take the block this spoke

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radio for the masses how are you doing

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today's Wednesday November 16 2009 t 310

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days into the new year 55 days love

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of beautiful downtown Burbank

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California I would like to welcome

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everybody listening all around the world

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all across the United States hither and

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thither to and fro back and forth up and

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this is fade to black for kjc are the

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I am your host to the church what is

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cracking everybody big show tonight been

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waiting for this here we go

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tonight John Burroughs is here John

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Burroughs is back sort of and tonight's

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hang on hang on to your seats

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tonight we're gonna discuss a tip we're

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gonna discuss to the stars we're gonna

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discuss Bigelow skinwalker tic-tac and

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the group around Tom DeLonge that that

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is to the stars Academy that is what we

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are doing tonight

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really looking forward to this a lot has

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been discussed lately out there through

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the hard work of individuals like John

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Greenwald lots of stuff in the media in

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and around Luis Elizondo as well so

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we're gonna we're gonna go through

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everything tonight

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all right welcome back pay the block

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coming up see me Church I'm the game

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changer network in kg are a the planets

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you can follow me on Twitter at Jeter

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radio you can follow John Burroughs on

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Twitter if he had a Twitter account he

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says he does but he hasn't looked at it

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in years the good news is John Twitter

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is gonna be big so maybe you can come

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back and join the family tonight John is

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with us we're gonna be discussing a tip

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program and the possibility that it was

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a sweetheart funding deal for Senator

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Harry Reid we're gonna discuss some of

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the group that is surrounding Tom

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DeLonge we're gonna talk a tip we're

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gonna talk TTS a John entered the United

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States Air Force in 1979 served 27 years

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both in active and reserve he is

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currently a United States Air Force

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Reserves Burroughs had various

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assignments throughout his Air Force

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career like Luke Air Force Base Osan Air

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Force Base Grissom Air Force Base Castle

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Air Force Base with reserve assignments

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the most notable assignment though began

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in 1979 when he was assigned as a

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patrolman at RAF Bentwaters in England

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in the early morning hours of December

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26 1980 while working law enforcement

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patrol at RAF Woodbridge he had a

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life-changing event which has now been

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called Rendlesham it has become one of

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the most documented and witnessed

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sightings by the United States military

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in known history I would like to welcome

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back to fade to black

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John Burroughs John how are you good

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Jimmy thanks for having me back you know

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John I've kind of made light of this

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that is this is the return the return of

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I want to thank you ok before we get

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started tonight for this conversation

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and I know that over the last

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it's been a year it's probably been

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close to that you wanted to back up a

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little bit off of and out of the UFO

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community and just leave it to others to

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research but tonight's show was just too

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important and you decided to come out of

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hectic retirement it's kind of like I

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look at it like this John it's like when

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Michael Jordan retired and he came back

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and played a couple of games for like

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the Washington Senators right let's look

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at it that way okay are you cool with

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that

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no I'm fair enough in actuality I'm

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doing some more stuff behind the scenes

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with Reis Hobbs too because it just it's

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like you want to walk away but then you

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can't totally know it's like The

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Godfather man it's like The Godfather

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yeah they keep pulling me back in but we

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need you and I had said in my intro on

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this show that you and I have had many

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many interviews over the years and every

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each show just ratcheted itself up and

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they got they just got better and better

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and and the conversations were not only

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revealing about you and a personal side

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but but the other research that you have

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done over the years has made each show

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better than the last and I look forward

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to that and this is my first question

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one of the reasons why those shows are

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so great and you are who you are is

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because you fight for integrity and and

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being honest with with a moral character

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in play as well that's a very difficult

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path right well yeah I mean okay look my

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this probably will start right off not

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making some people happy but ufology is

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basically you have people that are

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trying to understand different things

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that have happened to them then you have

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some people that you know seen something

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in the sky or have some interest in it

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but ultimately so many of the people

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they turn to their out there to make a

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living and as I got involved in this you

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know and then late like 2008 where I

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started really getting into it

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based on the 30th anniversary and stuff

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where it's just so many more people

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jumped on and since to the Stars went

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public two years ago there's even more

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and then you have all these shows and

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everything else going on and there's

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really the bone isn't that big and

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everybody's fighting for their piece of

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meat on the bone mm-hmm and there's just

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not enough meat and so they you've got

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some of these guys out there making

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these will brash statements and stuff

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like that and it's it's sad it's sad

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when when in fact you need to know the

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history of this going back way back in

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time before you can even really start to

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really understand how this has evolved

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and what's going on and then you have to

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want to go where the truth takes you not

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where you want it to to keep your

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website and everything else going and

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the next question which is probably the

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most important one to establish things

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for tonight

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is why why does fade to black have you

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on tonight discussing to the Stars what

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what direct or indirect contact do you

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have with to the Stars and the cast of

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characters surrounding Tom DeLonge well

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it started with the fact that back

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around the 30th anniversary I started

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trying to get stuff together for

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Rendell's home and then I got sick and

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and I'd had some issues prior but not

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life-threatening issues so I started to

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work with trying to get medical records

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and and my personnel files and get a va

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claim going and get in the VA system and

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every step of the way I ran into a wall

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um they altered they said I wasn't in

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the Air Force when the incident took

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place when I was injured they denied me

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access to my medical records and so on

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um so as this was all going on I went to

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that Steve Bassett conference what was

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it called

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do you know all the time citizens of

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disclosure yeah right right I went to

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that now I put Steve on the spot because

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I wasn't really keen on going because it

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was just gonna be the same stuff and

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don't get me wrong I understand you've

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gotta put stuff out there talk about

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documents talk about military citizen

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stuff but but it was just the same stuff

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you're rehashing the same material it's

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been on and on and there were any of

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these ex members of Congress so I sat

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and thought well if I'm gonna go I'm

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gonna do it differently I'm going to

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first of all Steve you got all of me

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Burrell later which he didn't know I had

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one and we're gonna sit there and

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they're going to talk to us like they

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would like a real incident that happened

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with inside the military you know what I

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mean doesn't Washington in an event and

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we brought the documents to support the

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fact that my records have been messed

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with I was being denied medical records

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and all this other stuff and it was all

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laid out in front of him and they were

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just taken aback and they when they went

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on break the game II started making

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phone calls and they came back and a lot

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of them didn't even know about the

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classified record section for medical

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records that if you're involved in a

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classified operation your records are

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classified and you can't really get

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access to him and why these guys that

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were retired didn't even know this now

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one of the two of them did that gravel

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the guy that was involved in senator

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gravel yes yes oh yeah and he actually

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grilled us a little bit going what are

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you still holding back on us and you

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have you have immunity if you tell us

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and they all jumped in and said no you

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don't you don't have the immunity we

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have so that was interesting and then

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there was a Senate or a congressman and

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I can't remember his name is an older

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guy his district was DC and he knew

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exactly what I was talking about and on

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the break his he was retired but he

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still had a staffer that he did some

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work for me she approached me through

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him and came out to me and said no we we

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know what you're saying is true and the

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documentation you've presented is true

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because we deal with this all the time

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or we did because what's there Langley

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and everything else

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and all these guys that were working in

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these operations would get injured and

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then they didn't have access to their

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records so they were giving denied

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treatment and the proper things they

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were supposed to get so she actually

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ended up helping senator McCain's aid

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with some of this stuff too but what

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happened was after we did the event and

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they wrote out a letter sent to

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President Obama and to the head of the

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VA at the time and it was interesting

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because when I finally did get someone

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on my case file I've had I forced it

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through the VA to get it out the letter

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from Obama was in there and it was

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signed off by Podesta hmm so Obama and

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Podesta were aware of the incident and

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so I don't forget to talk about this

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later and one of the things I found out

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later was the Department of Justice got

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in the middle of all this so but what

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happened was after we came back about

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two weeks later my attorney Pat force

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Konya got a phone call from a CIA agent

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or a retired / whatever you want to call

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him he was still a contractor working

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for the government and all this other

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stuff and he wanted to meet with him and

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then me and go over some stuff because

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he had some interest and it was that

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kick ring okay so the list starts okay

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so kit green is is up to bat first got

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it right he's up to bat first visits the

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attorney in Jackson and then blows him

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away I mean it was like here he is you

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know one minute he's in Jackson

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Mississippi and he does this UFO

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conference and he meets me and he agrees

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to help me and we start FOIA and we

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start all this stuff and we were

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actually in the process at the time we

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were already sending out notifications

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to witnesses to include the command

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within Bentwaters would you do an

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interview and leav subpoena because we

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were going to file a federal lawsuit

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against the federal government having to

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do with my records and why why are they

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classified why are they being held back

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so he shows up meets with Pat says let

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me let me jump in so this was 2010 this

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would have been in 2011 2001 well or 12

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like a glue strike cuz the conference

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was in ten we came back and eleven did I

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think it was twelve if I remember right

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whenever was ever the whenever they had

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the Bassett conference it was right

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after the conference that kid green

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showed up got it so it may have been

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eleven twelve I you know I'd have to go

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back over my notes but so he shows up

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he's with Pat then comes out to me when

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me and Sedona

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okay so he gives Pat a generalization of

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what he was interested in what he wanted

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to do and and he also said that what was

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being done to me was wrong and he knew

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about a lot about what was going on

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which we thought was strange because we

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had doctor but he said he was willing to

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testify he would be willing to testify

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in our favor on the whole thing that was

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going on so okay so I met with them and

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when he approached me he checked me out

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and I didn't know this at the time but

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he told Pat on off the side he says we

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got to get this expedited he don't have

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much time left

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his heart's really failing so so he

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meets with me and then he lays out his

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spiel and he wants to draw DNA through

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Gary Nolan who it was on to the Stars

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for a while and Kelleher who was on two

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stars and they want to do a DNA sample

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and put it in a testing pool and then

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they also want to do an MRI um on my on

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my brain to identify certain features

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which you know it's kind of complicated

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but it all ties in to the DNA and

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everything in the encounters you may

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have had or what its affected you and

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all that other stuff so we did our spiel

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and I'm military I've been investigated

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background and stuff and and just like I

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look at him and I'm like this is kind of

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unreal in the first place but I'm like

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no I'm not just gonna give you my stuff

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said what's what am I gonna get out of

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it I'm sick I'm getting stonewalled by

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the government they're not helping me

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with my records they're not releasing

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stuff they've denied my claim because

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they said I wasn't even in

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and all the stuff is going on what a mic

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what what do you want it's just not

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gonna happen and I said on top of it all

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how am I gonna be able to back up or how

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are you gonna prove to me whatever you

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do when you come back because one of the

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things you just told me it was this DNA

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testing can only be done two places and

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not many people know about it so how am

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I even gonna know what you tell me and

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what's going on so I told him no I

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didn't he was leaving and then when he

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was leaving he made a phone call back to

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Phoenix and said well I'm gonna we're

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gonna fly in knowing and co her tomorrow

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Flagstaff Arizona and so they flew him

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in they brought him actually they flew

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TV through no one into Vegas they drove

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down from Vegas to Flagstaff and they

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met with me and they did a full-court

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press to try to get my DNA and I told

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him no and what did they yeah what did

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they reveal to you at that point you

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know was it a general interest in UFOs

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or over they looking out for the best

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interest of John Burroughs were they

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trying to be your friend

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it was at the time I know a lot more now

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because it's all kind of evolved but at

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the time it was very vague it was simply

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we're doing a study on the effects of

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DNA on people who have had incidents

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like yours there's been quite a few of

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them they said most of them had never

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seen the light of day yours just did it

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got Declassified and Green had told us

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the day before that it was a mistake

402
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that it ever got out it never shouldn't

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gone out and in a lot of different

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events that went on were never I've

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never gotten out and people were injured

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you know and had issues like me and that

407
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they were trying to understand what it

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was that you know injured us and how it

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affected us that was the big part of it

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now what I didn't know at the time but

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it became apparent later was so I don't

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forget this later when you had all that

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stuff the document don't buy map and

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stuff about all the stuff that went on

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and you know the funding and everything

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one of the things that came out was is

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that when they were doing the work at

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the skinwalker ranch

419
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they brought in own Special Ops forces

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who had an encounter at the ranch with

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the phenomenon that's there and some of

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them a more injured by it was this part

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of ok I don't want to get too far ahead

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of our skis but bringing in Special Ops

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guys up to skinwalker to do some testing

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you know guys that have had experiences

427
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you know to bring them up to skinwalker

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was that part was that government-funded

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yeah it was part of the Harry Reid

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program that's the thing that they

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that's what I mean with this if you read

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the documents right go back in and look

433
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at these documents and they skim over

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them and a lot of people pick out what

435
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they want within it and when I had my

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show with Lynn him on the how phenomenal

437
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radio we had Knapp come on and he talked

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about it okay and what was funny was we

439
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knew quite a bit about it because I'd

440
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done some research and we talked to

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Korbel he's right before we talked to

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him and Korbel drops some information on

443
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our show prior to that about all this

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and yeah they actually brought these

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special operations to pond to have an

446
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encounter with this phenomenon and they

447
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did now going back to this period with a

448
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Nolan and Kelleher and kid Green was

449
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there any conversation back then about

450
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Bigelow or bass or or because that was

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one of the things one of my first

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questions was who's funding this wars is

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coming from we won't relieve our sources

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he was just so vague and I said no so

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what happened was Pat got a very

456
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scathing phone call back from Green was

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very upset to drop a lot of money they

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didn't get what they wanted

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and so I went he went back to Detroit

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and these guys went back to their home

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base and so but we're gonna keep a touch

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Tito Pat so what happened was they kept

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pushing me for stuff and I kept telling

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them hey check this out when you do

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something for me and that is do

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something with inside the government to

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get this rolling we'll talk afterwards

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so magically within about three weeks a

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letter comes

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through Greenwich he's a doctor to the

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attorney so it's doctor attorney and I'm

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a patient privilege spelling out why I

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was injured or what was wrong with me so

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you couldn't get to the bottom of it

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right you were struggling and your stuff

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was sealed but kid green managed to pull

477
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that off he knew exactly what to put in

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that letter and so what he said was

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because McCain had got me in viola got

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me in the VA to start listening because

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he did some threatening with all the

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stuff that was going on and I was going

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in to see the VA doctors you know to

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start with some of what was going on and

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everything because I'd already been

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denied the first time when I saw the

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doctors because they said well the

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injuries that you said happened didn't

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even happen to you or couldn't have

490
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happen to you you weren't in the

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military and that was a big mess so I'm

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going in so I get this letter you know

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and it's got classified stuff in it and

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so I take the letter to my VA doctor and

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he looks at that letter and he leaves

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the room and he said I'll be back and he

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was gone for a good 30 minutes and he's

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on the phone you can hear him in the

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next office over on the phone comes back

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in and he says we're getting you down

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into cardiologist from Prescott within

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the next 48 hours you begin the phone

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call and we're gonna take it from there

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so I'm like whoa this just everything

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just changed so I'm in the cardiologists

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office like two days later he got the

507
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letter he's looking at me checks me over

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does an echo and says you're gonna be

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going down to Tucson within the next

510
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week for evaluation for surgery and I'm

511
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like surgery he goes yeah he goes yeah

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this is bad he goes you've got to get in

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there right away so I'm like okay so

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they sent me to Tucson now one of the

515
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first things I picked up right away

516
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which was interesting was you know how

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when you go and see a doctor the doctor

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cause you and your surgeon and stuff

519
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right right well when I get there early

520
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because this was a long drive from

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Sedona davis-monthan hour down to Tucson

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the VA so I left early I got there quite

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a bit early

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45 minutes early so I'm sitting in there

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and I'm watching this surgeon come out

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or appears to be the surgeon because

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he's calling in to patients when it's my

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turn a different doctor comes out calls

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me in takes me in the back office and we

530
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started a negotiation and he starts to

531
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talk to me about they want to do this

532
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and that that day and all that and I

533
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said no no that's gonna happen today I

534
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go I gotta be back at Sedona my son's

535
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got a football game and tonight and

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00:24:01,580 --> 00:23:59,880
notice was laid out to me I said I came

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down here for an evaluation for surgery

538
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so you if you're gonna do all this other

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stuff you're gonna it's going to be done

540
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differently than this and he wasn't

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happy had me go back and sit in the room

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00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:12,720
come back brought me back in started

543
00:24:16,430 --> 00:24:14,610
talking to me some more looked at my

544
00:24:18,289 --> 00:24:16,440
echo and said we've got to take you back

545
00:24:19,700 --> 00:24:18,299
downstairs right now and they bumped me

546
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:19,710
in front of a whole bunch of patients

547
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:23,760
did another echo and bam next thing I

548
00:24:27,919 --> 00:24:25,530
know I'm back upstairs I see the surgeon

549
00:24:29,930 --> 00:24:27,929
and everything goes forward and I get

550
00:24:32,900 --> 00:24:29,940
surgery I don't really quick everything

551
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:32,910
just went just like that after Green got

552
00:24:38,060 --> 00:24:35,970
into the middle of it now and and who

553
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:38,070
did you meet next from the camp was it

554
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:41,970
was it put off yeah what happened next

555
00:24:46,340 --> 00:24:44,880
was now I'm in touch with no one I'm

556
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:46,350
going back and forth with no one because

557
00:24:51,260 --> 00:24:48,450
they're still working me on the DNA um

558
00:24:53,690 --> 00:24:51,270
Green's in the middle of it and then

559
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:53,700
next up is put off now here's a very

560
00:25:00,289 --> 00:24:57,210
interesting story okay that it can be

561
00:25:01,730 --> 00:25:00,299
verified real easy okay it's very

562
00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:01,740
interesting how this all broke out

563
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:03,809
because one of the things that we were

564
00:25:08,750 --> 00:25:06,210
putting gonna put out a book call in

565
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:08,760
Encounters of Rendlesham forest right it

566
00:25:14,289 --> 00:25:12,480
was due out in the spring of 14 and one

567
00:25:18,110 --> 00:25:14,299
of the things that no one knew about

568
00:25:20,330 --> 00:25:18,120
except the select few in the UK was that

569
00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:20,340
within project condign

570
00:25:25,820 --> 00:25:22,559
there was a paragraph in there talking

571
00:25:27,460 --> 00:25:25,830
about UAP radiation affecting observers

572
00:25:30,890 --> 00:25:27,470
in Rendlesham forest isn't it

573
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:30,900
now that was all being kept quiet

574
00:25:34,130 --> 00:25:32,730
because it was going to be in our book

575
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:34,140
and it was going to kind of be one of

576
00:25:38,690 --> 00:25:35,970
those BAM you're not gonna believe this

577
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:38,700
right and what happens was right before

578
00:25:44,140 --> 00:25:42,570
my surgery they fly Pat and Linda into

579
00:25:47,019 --> 00:25:44,150
Austin

580
00:25:49,060 --> 00:25:47,029
take them through the facility and he

581
00:25:51,940 --> 00:25:49,070
presents Linda with some documents that

582
00:25:54,010 --> 00:25:51,950
back up terahertz radiation now I'm

583
00:25:56,350 --> 00:25:54,020
gonna tell you because he made a public

584
00:25:58,510 --> 00:25:56,360
later what affected me which is Tara

585
00:26:02,289 --> 00:25:58,520
hurts radiation okay what caused the

586
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:02,299
damage in and in effect gives Linda a

587
00:26:07,630 --> 00:26:05,450
bunch of stuff okay she goes public with

588
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:07,640
it right away and I didn't even know she

589
00:26:15,159 --> 00:26:10,880
had it and blows the cover of the book

590
00:26:17,230 --> 00:26:15,169
and and so when I found out she did

591
00:26:19,539 --> 00:26:17,240
Whitley show on I got on her says please

592
00:26:21,070 --> 00:26:19,549
don't do coast in two weeks said this is

593
00:26:22,779 --> 00:26:21,080
not going well with the publisher and

594
00:26:23,950 --> 00:26:22,789
everything and she goes so news story I

595
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:23,960
have to do at bah-bah-bah

596
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:26,570
so she spilled the beans about all part

597
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:28,250
one of the better parts of our book on

598
00:26:33,789 --> 00:26:31,010
coast coast the night after I had my

599
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:33,799
major surgery and put off and green made

600
00:26:40,029 --> 00:26:38,330
sure she did that and it was set in the

601
00:26:42,370 --> 00:26:40,039
table for to the stars already at that

602
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:42,380
point right right right

603
00:26:47,710 --> 00:26:44,210
and I'm looking at the clock here before

604
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:47,720
we hit the break so put off comes in the

605
00:26:53,950 --> 00:26:51,770
picture and this was around 2013 when

606
00:26:55,930 --> 00:26:53,960
they met with Linda and Pat now I then

607
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:55,940
got brought down and he put off later we

608
00:27:01,000 --> 00:26:57,679
can go into that after the break okay

609
00:27:05,169 --> 00:27:01,010
we'll do that after the break and what

610
00:27:06,539 --> 00:27:05,179
about Jim semi van never met Jim semi

611
00:27:10,779 --> 00:27:06,549
van

612
00:27:12,730 --> 00:27:10,789
Elizondo yeah I met with him he came to

613
00:27:14,399 --> 00:27:12,740
Bloomington Normal and he did a shoot

614
00:27:16,750 --> 00:27:14,409
for the I believe it's called

615
00:27:19,060 --> 00:27:16,760
unidentified which they included

616
00:27:21,970 --> 00:27:19,070
Rendell's from in that and they did

617
00:27:23,529 --> 00:27:21,980
briefly touch on condign in my or I

618
00:27:25,630 --> 00:27:23,539
don't know if they did kind of a but my

619
00:27:27,340 --> 00:27:25,640
medical stuff within it and they brought

620
00:27:29,950 --> 00:27:27,350
the lady that worked in McCain's office

621
00:27:31,690 --> 00:27:29,960
in on all that and that was a very

622
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:31,700
interesting interview with her because

623
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:32,960
there were things that I didn't even

624
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:35,210
know that she revealed on unidentified

625
00:27:40,210 --> 00:27:37,970
about the whole thing what about a melon

626
00:27:44,740 --> 00:27:40,220
have you met Chris melon nope never met

627
00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:44,750
melon what about a norm Khan or a Paul

628
00:27:52,990 --> 00:27:48,289
rap the two other doctors no okay

629
00:27:54,279 --> 00:27:53,000
and Tom DeLonge I know and I was kind of

630
00:27:55,900 --> 00:27:54,289
hints that I couldn't I didn't want to

631
00:27:58,270 --> 00:27:55,910
meet him okay

632
00:27:59,440 --> 00:27:58,280
he's a joke to me and I've said this all

633
00:28:02,110 --> 00:27:59,450
along so I'm not pulling any punches

634
00:28:04,210 --> 00:28:02,120
this is not the type of way you're going

635
00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:04,220
to try to expose the American public to

636
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:05,840
this whatever we're dealing with on

637
00:28:11,500 --> 00:28:08,720
what's going on and to have this guy be

638
00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:11,510
the figurehead for it and have his

639
00:28:14,650 --> 00:28:13,130
company which is the entertainment

640
00:28:17,230 --> 00:28:14,660
company which is a joke to me in the

641
00:28:18,909 --> 00:28:17,240
first place run all this I don't want

642
00:28:23,770 --> 00:28:18,919
nothing to do with that end of it period

643
00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:23,780
now they shot four of unidentified and

644
00:28:29,289 --> 00:28:26,289
and you did you appear in the series

645
00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:29,299
yeah yeah it was episode six of I

646
00:28:35,260 --> 00:28:31,370
remember right right five it was either

647
00:28:37,180 --> 00:28:35,270
five or six I can't remember and I just

648
00:28:39,970 --> 00:28:37,190
have to ask you if they came at you to

649
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:39,980
do season two or have you shot season 2

650
00:28:43,779 --> 00:28:42,080
no I haven't shot season 2 but they

651
00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:43,789
approached me on some stuff for season 2

652
00:28:49,180 --> 00:28:45,049
and I told him to take a flying leap

653
00:28:51,130 --> 00:28:49,190
there you go ok all right so but that's

654
00:28:54,460 --> 00:28:51,140
the establishment right there when we

655
00:28:57,539 --> 00:28:54,470
come back I want to get back to how put

656
00:29:00,669 --> 00:28:57,549
off and we've got to jump we got to go

657
00:29:02,500 --> 00:29:00,679
backwards to go forwards we're gonna go

658
00:29:05,380 --> 00:29:02,510
back and talk a little bit of bass and

659
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:05,390
and and Bigelow and put off and then

660
00:29:10,210 --> 00:29:07,250
we'll start to move forward our guest

661
00:29:12,610 --> 00:29:10,220
tonight is John Burroughs we're gonna do

662
00:29:15,399 --> 00:29:12,620
it all tonight we're gonna discuss TTS a

663
00:29:17,710 --> 00:29:15,409
the ATI program a SAP the cast of

664
00:29:20,049 --> 00:29:17,720
characters are the surrounding towns

665
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:20,059
along what the real agenda is and of

666
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:22,880
course tic-tac for good measure

667
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:24,650
this is fade to black our meals Timmy

668
00:29:27,980 --> 00:29:26,570
Church stay with us we'll be right back

669
00:29:47,610 --> 00:29:27,990
after this short break

670
00:29:51,670 --> 00:29:49,810
welcome back fade to black I'm your host

671
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:51,680
Amy church tonight our guest John

672
00:29:56,380 --> 00:29:54,650
Burroughs tomorrow night's fainter night

673
00:29:59,260 --> 00:29:56,390
open lines all night long tonight with

674
00:30:01,360 --> 00:29:59,270
John we're discussing to the stars a tip

675
00:30:04,660 --> 00:30:01,370
the cast of characters surrounding it

676
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:04,670
what it is and what is actually going on

677
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:08,810
and now John right before the break we

678
00:30:14,860 --> 00:30:11,360
started to get into a tip and I want to

679
00:30:19,330 --> 00:30:14,870
establish what a tip may or may not be

680
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:19,340
and with that the public impression laid

681
00:30:23,710 --> 00:30:20,930
out from the beginning

682
00:30:25,780 --> 00:30:23,720
going back to December of 2017 in the

683
00:30:29,170 --> 00:30:25,790
New York Times article which started

684
00:30:31,870 --> 00:30:29,180
this explosion was that the government

685
00:30:35,380 --> 00:30:31,880
the Pentagon had a secret UFO program

686
00:30:37,380 --> 00:30:35,390
and again the perception of the public

687
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:37,390
and the way that they read through this

688
00:30:43,090 --> 00:30:41,120
was that there was this secret UFO

689
00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:43,100
program inside of the Pentagon headed by

690
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:47,600
Lewis Elizondo and they were deeply

691
00:30:56,740 --> 00:30:52,610
involved in the study of UFOs and the

692
00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:56,750
implication is that Lewis Elizondo had

693
00:31:01,960 --> 00:30:59,360
had a teenth maybe offices inside of the

694
00:31:04,780 --> 00:31:01,970
Pentagon and they're looking at UFO

695
00:31:09,730 --> 00:31:04,790
events crashes crash retrievals video

696
00:31:13,090 --> 00:31:09,740
and and they they they are studying this

697
00:31:16,180 --> 00:31:13,100
and it appears today that that is

698
00:31:18,700 --> 00:31:16,190
entirely not the case and what a tip is

699
00:31:25,060 --> 00:31:18,710
whether it's aviation or aerospace that

700
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:25,070
can be debated but what is a tip well

701
00:31:30,370 --> 00:31:26,690
okay let's break some of this down

702
00:31:32,860 --> 00:31:30,380
because as soon as this came out they

703
00:31:35,050 --> 00:31:32,870
were doing this and I said it before the

704
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:35,060
break I couldn't believe DeLong was the

705
00:31:38,740 --> 00:31:37,370
figurehead I mean it's just like first

706
00:31:40,450 --> 00:31:38,750
of all that was a strike one for me

707
00:31:43,330 --> 00:31:40,460
because it's like this can't be serious

708
00:31:46,030 --> 00:31:43,340
and I and they stand by it just it's not

709
00:31:48,460 --> 00:31:46,040
what you're if you're trying to get the

710
00:31:50,530 --> 00:31:48,470
general population to get behind you and

711
00:31:52,300 --> 00:31:50,540
support you that's not going to do it

712
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:52,310
now if you want these young kids running

713
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:52,880
around

714
00:31:57,490 --> 00:31:55,730
head-banging kids to support you what's

715
00:31:59,049 --> 00:31:57,500
that going to do for you anyway the

716
00:32:01,149 --> 00:31:59,059
money comes from the middle

717
00:32:03,940 --> 00:32:01,159
class middle generation and are working

718
00:32:08,169 --> 00:32:03,950
and Congress listens to them they don't

719
00:32:08,980 --> 00:32:08,179
listen to these kids okay but okay one

720
00:32:12,180 --> 00:32:08,990
of the things that caught my attention

721
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:12,190
first off was that and I did meet Lou

722
00:32:20,379 --> 00:32:17,120
was I don't want to throw mud on it but

723
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:20,389
why would you fund something and then

724
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:22,370
kick it to these scientists to review it

725
00:32:27,879 --> 00:32:25,730
if he was the one analyzing the tapes

726
00:32:31,450 --> 00:32:27,889
does that make sense to you Jimmy no it

727
00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:31,460
doesn't okay so if if he was the leader

728
00:32:35,529 --> 00:32:33,919
of this group which again they were

729
00:32:37,330 --> 00:32:35,539
vague on that and I never get an answer

730
00:32:39,850 --> 00:32:37,340
from him behind the scenes you know

731
00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:39,860
Mullins job was they created that job

732
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:42,320
after 9/11 and he was third in command

733
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:44,720
in the Pentagon for intelligence that's

734
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:46,610
the kind of person that would run the

735
00:32:52,060 --> 00:32:49,730
program I understand what I mean I do I

736
00:32:54,129 --> 00:32:52,070
do that would be the Deputy Director of

737
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:54,139
Intel would be in charge of it because

738
00:32:57,310 --> 00:32:56,330
of the because of the ramifications you

739
00:33:00,879 --> 00:32:57,320
had they had in the Senate

740
00:33:03,129 --> 00:33:00,889
supposedly want this done get the money

741
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:03,139
out and everything else that would be

742
00:33:07,330 --> 00:33:04,970
who this would be reported somebody like

743
00:33:09,009 --> 00:33:07,340
that not saying it was the guy so don't

744
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:09,019
run around tomorrow say bro said it was

745
00:33:13,450 --> 00:33:10,730
this guy I'm just saying that's the

746
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:13,460
level of control of the program when I

747
00:33:17,950 --> 00:33:15,919
have you know what I mean now what was

748
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:17,960
interesting was first thing Reed said

749
00:33:23,139 --> 00:33:20,210
was in these letters that Knapp released

750
00:33:25,149 --> 00:33:23,149
was that they wanted it to be an S AP

751
00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:25,159
program okay

752
00:33:29,230 --> 00:33:27,529
so here you had a guy that now comes out

753
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:29,240
and says he doesn't like the way the

754
00:33:34,210 --> 00:33:32,330
government's doing this thinks we should

755
00:33:36,639 --> 00:33:34,220
be more and more disclosure on all this

756
00:33:38,649 --> 00:33:36,649
and move forward this but when he was in

757
00:33:40,419 --> 00:33:38,659
position in the Senate they had the

758
00:33:41,980 --> 00:33:40,429
investigation done what's the first

759
00:33:45,789 --> 00:33:41,990
thing he wanted to do when it started

760
00:33:47,350 --> 00:33:45,799
happening fund well no he wanted to put

761
00:33:49,930 --> 00:33:47,360
it in an S AP program which is the

762
00:33:51,639 --> 00:33:49,940
highest classification of um that you

763
00:33:53,980 --> 00:33:51,649
programs you could put it in he wanted

764
00:33:56,139 --> 00:33:53,990
to bury what they were working on that's

765
00:34:00,489 --> 00:33:56,149
right now I want you to believe he wants

766
00:34:03,340 --> 00:34:00,499
it out and the the program itself a tip

767
00:34:05,649 --> 00:34:03,350
and III need clarification this is for

768
00:34:07,570 --> 00:34:05,659
me to get an understanding because I've

769
00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:07,580
looked at this so much and I get more

770
00:34:12,430 --> 00:34:10,250
confused the more that I look at it a

771
00:34:15,010 --> 00:34:12,440
tip itself was

772
00:34:18,460 --> 00:34:15,020
outside of the pro was outside of the

773
00:34:22,300 --> 00:34:18,470
Pentagon and was actually based out of

774
00:34:26,530 --> 00:34:22,310
Las Vegas right this was this is a gas

775
00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:26,540
program bass got the contract yeah that

776
00:34:30,369 --> 00:34:28,609
was what and when you led in with the

777
00:34:33,309 --> 00:34:30,379
show you said was it and people right

778
00:34:35,050 --> 00:34:33,319
away within a matter of days after New

779
00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:35,060
York Times story broke that was one of

780
00:34:39,069 --> 00:34:36,079
the first things people were saying was

781
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:39,079
just was this just read who Bigelow is a

782
00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:42,169
big-time player in that area was he just

783
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:44,480
a reward I'm a contract wolf I don't

784
00:34:47,020 --> 00:34:45,649
agree with that Jimmy and I'll tell you

785
00:34:51,339 --> 00:34:47,030
why it will get into this in the first

786
00:34:53,290 --> 00:34:51,349
place is Bigelow bought out a project

787
00:34:55,300 --> 00:34:53,300
from NASA which is now on the space

788
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:55,310
station which is now going to be part of

789
00:35:01,089 --> 00:34:57,770
the trip to the moon into Mars so this

790
00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:01,099
guy already has supporting these inside

791
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:05,569
the DoD so 22 million to him is is chump

792
00:35:10,420 --> 00:35:07,040
change do you know what I mean

793
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:10,430
it is he's a billionaire so it wasn't a

794
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:14,480
little sweet deal for Bigelow on top of

795
00:35:20,290 --> 00:35:17,359
the fact that what a lot of people it's

796
00:35:23,950 --> 00:35:20,300
got lost in the thing Bigelow had a son

797
00:35:26,050 --> 00:35:23,960
who died and one of the things that he

798
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:26,060
wanted to do was try to figure out if he

799
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:27,890
could reach out to him or whatever you

800
00:35:32,559 --> 00:35:30,530
know beyond the dead and all this other

801
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:32,569
stuff so that was part of the reason why

802
00:35:36,730 --> 00:35:34,250
he got drawn into some of the stuff in

803
00:35:39,849 --> 00:35:36,740
the first place nevermind what else was

804
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:39,859
going on so he had a genuine interest in

805
00:35:44,410 --> 00:35:42,650
it he had guys like Edgar Mitchell you

806
00:35:46,510 --> 00:35:44,420
know and they had mids at first and bass

807
00:35:50,410 --> 00:35:46,520
so I don't think this was a little kick

808
00:35:52,930 --> 00:35:50,420
back to Bigelow there was something

809
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:52,940
going on and if you want to say what was

810
00:35:57,700 --> 00:35:55,490
a reward for it would be to get more

811
00:35:59,290 --> 00:35:57,710
research to get more funding for

812
00:36:03,069 --> 00:35:59,300
whatever they want to work on technology

813
00:36:04,750 --> 00:36:03,079
wise not just a sweet little here's

814
00:36:05,740 --> 00:36:04,760
twenty two million have fun with it you

815
00:36:10,839 --> 00:36:05,750
know what I mean right

816
00:36:13,450 --> 00:36:10,849
and was a tip after the funding came in

817
00:36:15,460 --> 00:36:13,460
and and they and and Bigelow gets the

818
00:36:17,890 --> 00:36:15,470
contract this was the the twenty two

819
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:17,900
million dollar contract that they

820
00:36:26,170 --> 00:36:22,810
disclosed right right was a tip

821
00:36:30,250 --> 00:36:26,180
researching the phenomena NATO

822
00:36:33,569 --> 00:36:30,260
specific UFO cases and videotape or were

823
00:36:36,609 --> 00:36:33,579
they just funding research and

824
00:36:39,130 --> 00:36:36,619
theoretical papers to be generated to

825
00:36:41,950 --> 00:36:39,140
look into different aspects of this

826
00:36:46,750 --> 00:36:41,960
whether it's time travel or propulsion

827
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:46,760
systems or the the the stuff that hal

828
00:36:52,750 --> 00:36:50,720
was working on as well was you know was

829
00:36:55,180 --> 00:36:52,760
it was it that you know was it Eric

830
00:36:58,450 --> 00:36:55,190
Davis and a bunch of theoretical

831
00:37:00,339 --> 00:36:58,460
research that was getting funded well

832
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:00,349
what I could grasp on the interviews I

833
00:37:06,789 --> 00:37:03,170
did with Davis talking behind the scenes

834
00:37:09,339 --> 00:37:06,799
would put off in green and and in it no

835
00:37:11,380 --> 00:37:09,349
one and stuff there was it it seems to

836
00:37:13,150 --> 00:37:11,390
be in the papers it naps released and

837
00:37:15,309 --> 00:37:13,160
you know I'd have to I looked at him

838
00:37:16,510 --> 00:37:15,319
this was a year or two ago so I don't

839
00:37:20,980 --> 00:37:16,520
have him in front of me and it's not

840
00:37:23,140 --> 00:37:20,990
fresh but it appears based on what they

841
00:37:28,210 --> 00:37:23,150
said in Knapp did an interview with us

842
00:37:30,819 --> 00:37:28,220
in Carmel a percentage of it did go for

843
00:37:34,089 --> 00:37:30,829
an evaluation of these tapes and some of

844
00:37:38,349 --> 00:37:34,099
this other stuff but it looks like a lot

845
00:37:40,859 --> 00:37:38,359
of it went to the ranch to skinwalker

846
00:37:43,900 --> 00:37:40,869
and the investigation of the ranch right

847
00:37:47,319 --> 00:37:43,910
and what they were doing there and and

848
00:37:49,420 --> 00:37:47,329
then bass was a program that was

849
00:37:51,970 --> 00:37:49,430
involved with the overall picture

850
00:37:54,370 --> 00:37:51,980
including what knids was and it was a

851
00:37:56,109 --> 00:37:54,380
forward of needs and and all that and

852
00:37:58,240 --> 00:37:56,119
and and I don't want to try to get too

853
00:37:59,440 --> 00:37:58,250
technical because I read a lot of this

854
00:38:01,779 --> 00:37:59,450
stuff before and it caught my attention

855
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:01,789
but I don't it's been him over a year

856
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:04,400
but what I can tell you is I think a lot

857
00:38:09,309 --> 00:38:07,010
of it went based on the interviews I

858
00:38:12,579 --> 00:38:09,319
listen to and stuff a lot of it went to

859
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:12,589
skinwalker and what the first thing that

860
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:15,200
caught my attention and I and that's

861
00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:16,970
what I wanted to verify it through Knapp

862
00:38:22,569 --> 00:38:19,730
and Carmel was you're telling me the

863
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:22,579
government sent in sanctioned Special

864
00:38:30,279 --> 00:38:24,970
Operations troops to the ranch

865
00:38:33,309 --> 00:38:30,289
yeah about that yeah he fought in our

866
00:38:34,089 --> 00:38:33,319
Special Ops troops to investigate the

867
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:34,099
phenomenon

868
00:38:41,050 --> 00:38:37,610
what were the Special Ops troops

869
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:41,060
guinea pigs or were they observers well

870
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:43,130
if you go to Kelleher announce book

871
00:38:47,620 --> 00:38:45,290
they're worse guinea pigs there was

872
00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:47,630
stuff done and matter-of-fact Knapp was

873
00:38:53,290 --> 00:38:49,250
supposedly a guinea pig at one point he

874
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:53,300
sat in a chair but what I got out of the

875
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:55,760
interviews and this is why I always beat

876
00:38:58,810 --> 00:38:57,170
my head with these guys and when I got

877
00:39:00,340 --> 00:38:58,820
so fed up with them is I'll say one

878
00:39:00,940 --> 00:39:00,350
thing one time no oh oh he didn't really

879
00:39:03,460 --> 00:39:00,950
mean it that way

880
00:39:05,650 --> 00:39:03,470
but what I got out of them was these

881
00:39:08,260 --> 00:39:05,660
guys came in to go in because their

882
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:08,270
training and to go back into the area of

883
00:39:11,530 --> 00:39:09,680
the ranch where the stuff was going on

884
00:39:12,940 --> 00:39:11,540
and see what they could dig up and

885
00:39:15,700 --> 00:39:12,950
encounter and what it what happened if

886
00:39:19,330 --> 00:39:15,710
they had an encounter and when you look

887
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:19,340
at you know a advanced aviation you know

888
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:22,850
threat identification program what would

889
00:39:29,050 --> 00:39:26,330
that or a vr aerospace whatever you want

890
00:39:33,730 --> 00:39:29,060
to use with a tip what would that have

891
00:39:36,990 --> 00:39:33,740
to do directly with skinwalker because

892
00:39:38,170 --> 00:39:37,000
skinwalker was more of a paranormal

893
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:38,180
situation

894
00:39:43,060 --> 00:39:41,090
or do I have this wrong well that's a

895
00:39:46,660 --> 00:39:43,070
good question and and the interesting

896
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:46,670
thing is is it all goes back to en

897
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:50,210
frequencies frequency fields and and

898
00:39:56,350 --> 00:39:52,640
different things like that and and then

899
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:56,360
obviously the the the DNA testing they

900
00:40:00,250 --> 00:39:58,010
were doing which is interesting too

901
00:40:02,590 --> 00:40:00,260
because kid green just did an interview

902
00:40:04,690 --> 00:40:02,600
which blew me away that he did it but

903
00:40:07,330 --> 00:40:04,700
then he's never fought script like he

904
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:07,340
says he does privately he did that they

905
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:09,050
did that interview for Jacobson's book

906
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:12,290
and they spilled the beans on the DNA

907
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:15,050
stuff and and then he turned around and

908
00:40:17,770 --> 00:40:16,400
just did an interview with Richard Dolan

909
00:40:19,330 --> 00:40:17,780
which you and I had a private

910
00:40:20,890 --> 00:40:19,340
conversation a few weeks back that you

911
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:20,900
need to get Dolan on to talk about the

912
00:40:25,870 --> 00:40:23,450
interviewer what's burning yeah I had

913
00:40:28,450 --> 00:40:25,880
him on two weeks ago talking about the

914
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:28,460
kicker in their interview and so before

915
00:40:32,740 --> 00:40:31,280
I go into what you just asked me what

916
00:40:36,430 --> 00:40:32,750
did you learn from that interview about

917
00:40:36,910 --> 00:40:36,440
what Greene had to say right what did

918
00:40:42,730 --> 00:40:36,920
you learn

919
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:42,740
well I but the thing that stuck out for

920
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:46,730
me with kick green was the alien autopsy

921
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:50,970
stuff where he felt that

922
00:40:56,089 --> 00:40:52,530
I don't know you want to say that he

923
00:40:58,849 --> 00:40:56,099
felt that he directly said that he was

924
00:41:01,160 --> 00:40:58,859
hoaxed right that he was shown certain

925
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:01,170
things and was told something else he

926
00:41:06,370 --> 00:41:03,930
was you know that the alien autopsy film

927
00:41:09,559 --> 00:41:06,380
was real and then he felt that it wasn't

928
00:41:12,050 --> 00:41:09,569
but that's that's the one thing that

929
00:41:14,930 --> 00:41:12,060
stuck out for me about kid green was

930
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:14,940
that he felt that he was lied to

931
00:41:20,210 --> 00:41:17,609
right well what well a lot of people

932
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:20,220
didn't zero in on is what he said to

933
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:22,650
dawn and I tried to pin him down on this

934
00:41:27,710 --> 00:41:25,200
and he supposedly gonna visit me to talk

935
00:41:31,309 --> 00:41:27,720
more about this privately was I said

936
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:31,319
made a statement that based on all his

937
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:34,050
analysis of the injuries that happened

938
00:41:37,940 --> 00:41:35,280
to the different people have had the

939
00:41:39,530 --> 00:41:37,950
encounters which I can't get an answer

940
00:41:41,540 --> 00:41:39,540
from him but you would have to assume

941
00:41:43,130 --> 00:41:41,550
that some of the DNA studies have come

942
00:41:45,890 --> 00:41:43,140
back now because it's been more than a

943
00:41:47,660 --> 00:41:45,900
couple of years that any everything that

944
00:41:50,410 --> 00:41:47,670
they've been able to analyze the

945
00:41:53,180 --> 00:41:50,420
injuries that have happened were not

946
00:41:58,450 --> 00:41:53,190
consistent with ET but were consistent

947
00:42:01,040 --> 00:41:58,460
with terrestrial ie our technology so

948
00:42:03,260 --> 00:42:01,050
the military guys that have been injured

949
00:42:05,540 --> 00:42:03,270
and he didn't see military guys but he

950
00:42:07,609 --> 00:42:05,550
said this the the people that he's dealt

951
00:42:09,470 --> 00:42:07,619
with and he talks about his patients and

952
00:42:12,859 --> 00:42:09,480
all this other stuff the injuries that

953
00:42:16,700 --> 00:42:12,869
they've sustained are not et they're

954
00:42:22,099 --> 00:42:16,710
terrestrial and sold that's pretty

955
00:42:27,710 --> 00:42:22,109
eye-opening why why what what's the

956
00:42:32,210 --> 00:42:27,720
reason to create a tip well that's one

957
00:42:35,559 --> 00:42:32,220
of the things that you never okay that

958
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:35,569
that goes into this okay the problem

959
00:42:39,290 --> 00:42:38,160
okay like I was shocked when you called

960
00:42:41,870 --> 00:42:39,300
me and wanted to do this show because

961
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:41,880
majority of people that do this stuff

962
00:42:45,020 --> 00:42:43,290
want to tippy-toe around these guys

963
00:42:47,089 --> 00:42:45,030
they're rock stars you know what I mean

964
00:42:49,069 --> 00:42:47,099
right there they got the New York Times

965
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:49,079
to do something with it which how could

966
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:51,119
they not when you bring these tapes and

967
00:42:54,220 --> 00:42:52,800
you know these different things up and

968
00:42:56,780 --> 00:42:54,230
I'm not saying that was the wrong thing

969
00:42:58,430 --> 00:42:56,790
okay but they got the New York Times to

970
00:43:00,380 --> 00:42:58,440
do some stuff they did get mainstream

971
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:00,390
news to briefly talk about it but that's

972
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:02,130
there's nothing against that they didn't

973
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:04,170
continue with it on and on because they

974
00:43:06,770 --> 00:43:04,800
don't continue

975
00:43:08,660 --> 00:43:06,780
anything you know what I mean whatever

976
00:43:10,130 --> 00:43:08,670
is this weak flavor of the month you

977
00:43:12,530 --> 00:43:10,140
don't ever hear about it again unless

978
00:43:14,300 --> 00:43:12,540
there's a political reason behind it so

979
00:43:15,890 --> 00:43:14,310
that's not surprising but they're rock

980
00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:15,900
stars so all these guys want them into

981
00:43:19,550 --> 00:43:17,250
conferences they want them on the radio

982
00:43:23,020 --> 00:43:19,560
shows they want them in their blogs so

983
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:23,030
no one asked some tough questions

984
00:43:28,820 --> 00:43:24,690
no they won't

985
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:28,830
they won't and the the the team that is

986
00:43:34,340 --> 00:43:32,400
there at at to the stars and when you

987
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:34,350
look down the list and and their history

988
00:43:40,850 --> 00:43:36,330
and and their CVs

989
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:40,860
and and their qualifications everything

990
00:43:44,060 --> 00:43:43,050
goes back to the Department of Defense

991
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:44,070
or the Pentagon of the

992
00:43:51,050 --> 00:43:47,040
military-industrial complex in one way

993
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:51,060
or another and the recent announcement

994
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:55,490
of the crater agreement with the army

995
00:44:01,820 --> 00:43:58,640
which is which is where I'm going now

996
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:01,830
that to the stars was supposed to be

997
00:44:07,550 --> 00:44:04,800
about disclosure and and bringing this

998
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:07,560
out finally into the public in and

999
00:44:14,270 --> 00:44:10,490
getting this UFO question answered and

1000
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:14,280
it has now taken a couple of interesting

1001
00:44:20,330 --> 00:44:18,240
turns where it seems that with the with

1002
00:44:23,180 --> 00:44:20,340
the metamaterials this agreement with

1003
00:44:27,650 --> 00:44:23,190
the United States Army and also the Navy

1004
00:44:29,870 --> 00:44:27,660
is involved who as well that this is now

1005
00:44:33,530 --> 00:44:29,880
folding back from and away from the

1006
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:33,540
public and back to funding and bringing

1007
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:35,850
it back to the Department of Defense and

1008
00:44:41,090 --> 00:44:38,400
then has nothing to do with the public

1009
00:44:44,420 --> 00:44:41,100
or the betterment of the world well

1010
00:44:47,540 --> 00:44:44,430
number one okay but before we I'll go in

1011
00:44:50,180 --> 00:44:47,550
the Bigelow but number one the the to

1012
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:50,190
the stars that's disingenuous to the

1013
00:44:53,180 --> 00:44:51,930
stars did not sign a contract with

1014
00:44:56,750 --> 00:44:53,190
Department of Defense they're an

1015
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:56,760
entertainment organization Tom DeLonge I

1016
00:45:02,290 --> 00:44:59,760
want him he runs his mouth all the time

1017
00:45:05,090 --> 00:45:02,300
prove to me that you've been read in

1018
00:45:06,650 --> 00:45:05,100
show me where you've been read in show

1019
00:45:08,750 --> 00:45:06,660
me where you have a security clearance

1020
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:08,760
because if you don't have a security

1021
00:45:13,550 --> 00:45:11,010
clearance you don't get squat do you

1022
00:45:15,290 --> 00:45:13,560
understand what I mean I do and he runs

1023
00:45:17,900 --> 00:45:15,300
around shooting his mouth off like he

1024
00:45:19,070 --> 00:45:17,910
knows all this crap and they are not and

1025
00:45:21,620 --> 00:45:19,080
I know this much

1026
00:45:24,890 --> 00:45:21,630
melon and and put off and green they're

1027
00:45:27,740 --> 00:45:24,900
not gonna give you stuff a outsider like

1028
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:27,750
the long anything that's gonna violate

1029
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:29,130
nice little security they're not gonna

1030
00:45:32,420 --> 00:45:31,650
violate their oath okay so that's the

1031
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:32,430
first problem

1032
00:45:36,500 --> 00:45:34,560
the second thing is if you go back to

1033
00:45:38,300 --> 00:45:36,510
how this all got kicked off with napping

1034
00:45:41,180 --> 00:45:38,310
Bigelow there was an interview that he

1035
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:41,190
did on coast to coast with nap and they

1036
00:45:44,990 --> 00:45:43,170
went into the sing and I went around and

1037
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:45,000
did some conferences and talked about

1038
00:45:49,610 --> 00:45:46,560
this and I've talked about this on the

1039
00:45:50,810 --> 00:45:49,620
radio show Bigelow stated we're not

1040
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:50,820
going to get disclosure we're going to

1041
00:45:55,850 --> 00:45:53,850
get confirmation and confirmation is

1042
00:45:57,710 --> 00:45:55,860
there there there's something going on

1043
00:45:58,970 --> 00:45:57,720
and we're gonna stop right there right

1044
00:46:01,640 --> 00:45:58,980
now and we're not gonna go any deeper

1045
00:46:03,950 --> 00:46:01,650
into what it is and that's what's going

1046
00:46:05,300 --> 00:46:03,960
on Navy finally said yeah well we're

1047
00:46:07,490 --> 00:46:05,310
gonna make it easy for the pilots to

1048
00:46:09,530 --> 00:46:07,500
report it and we're gonna look into it

1049
00:46:11,150 --> 00:46:09,540
but we're not going to tell you what we

1050
00:46:13,490 --> 00:46:11,160
find out you get these members of

1051
00:46:15,020 --> 00:46:13,500
Congress that they got on film a little

1052
00:46:16,190 --> 00:46:15,030
bit early on and it's broken they came

1053
00:46:18,980 --> 00:46:16,200
out said yeah I was in the classified

1054
00:46:21,110 --> 00:46:18,990
briefing I can't talk about it what were

1055
00:46:24,620 --> 00:46:21,120
you able to how much time did you spend

1056
00:46:27,050 --> 00:46:24,630
with Lou Elizondo I was with him on a

1057
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:27,060
Friday afternoon and all day on Saturday

1058
00:46:35,660 --> 00:46:31,680
so a day and a half yeah what what did

1059
00:46:38,450 --> 00:46:35,670
you ask him well I'll give away a trade

1060
00:46:43,010 --> 00:46:38,460
secrets I don't necessarily ask a lot I

1061
00:46:45,860 --> 00:46:43,020
let them talk okay I'm reading them I'm

1062
00:46:48,650 --> 00:46:45,870
not I'm not dirty

1063
00:46:50,450 --> 00:46:48,660
I've never the the only guy there's two

1064
00:46:52,610 --> 00:46:50,460
guys that have impressed me in this and

1065
00:46:54,410 --> 00:46:52,620
and I and I can't say that the other

1066
00:46:58,610 --> 00:46:54,420
ones wooden because I'd ever met Mellon

1067
00:47:00,770 --> 00:46:58,620
but Gary knowing is is a good nice guy

1068
00:47:02,420 --> 00:47:00,780
but he's a scientist and you know what

1069
00:47:05,780 --> 00:47:02,430
that one going worth that he's a good

1070
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:05,790
guy but he's not real world you know

1071
00:47:12,740 --> 00:47:08,130
savvy street fight type of guy

1072
00:47:15,980 --> 00:47:12,750
um Green is slick put offs a nice very

1073
00:47:18,350 --> 00:47:15,990
intelligent man very very you know boom

1074
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:18,360
you know he's the man and and he's

1075
00:47:23,150 --> 00:47:20,850
running this and he's running this whole

1076
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:23,160
thing and and and and then you have

1077
00:47:28,430 --> 00:47:25,530
Mellon who you don't get where he was

1078
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:28,440
you know with in the Senate and then

1079
00:47:31,900 --> 00:47:30,210
number three in the Pentagon and

1080
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:31,910
intelligence without not having you

1081
00:47:35,500 --> 00:47:33,890
together and that and then the dream

1082
00:47:36,579 --> 00:47:35,510
team has finished off with sleep justice

1083
00:47:38,380 --> 00:47:36,589
to rant skunkworks

1084
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:38,390
think about that what's his background

1085
00:47:42,970 --> 00:47:40,970
technology getting funding through the

1086
00:47:45,460 --> 00:47:42,980
government and everything else and and

1087
00:47:50,109 --> 00:47:45,470
then delivering the product and then

1088
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:50,119
there's Elizondo right and he never if

1089
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:52,250
you're gonna ask me he came off like a

1090
00:48:03,460 --> 00:47:59,359
guy that was a foot soldier did did you

1091
00:48:08,109 --> 00:48:03,470
guys discuss his role in a tip about him

1092
00:48:09,460 --> 00:48:08,119
on the direct Amy yes we did in in and

1093
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:09,470
this is where you probably get mad at me

1094
00:48:12,490 --> 00:48:10,640
and people in the eyes will get mad at

1095
00:48:15,279 --> 00:48:12,500
me when I give my word I get my word and

1096
00:48:18,039 --> 00:48:15,289
he laid out some stuff to me and a

1097
00:48:20,829 --> 00:48:18,049
little bit of it did get revealed in

1098
00:48:23,799 --> 00:48:20,839
this last series but he laid out some

1099
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:23,809
stuff to me and everything else but what

1100
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:28,010
he didn't impress me on is he's not what

1101
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:29,210
they're saying he is and what I mean by

1102
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:31,970
that is he's not a technical guy he's

1103
00:48:35,260 --> 00:48:33,770
not the guy that's gonna analyze his

1104
00:48:37,269 --> 00:48:35,270
stuff he's not the guy that's going to

1105
00:48:37,660 --> 00:48:37,279
understand how it works do you know what

1106
00:48:39,730 --> 00:48:37,670
I mean

1107
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:39,740
right might be able to go out and gather

1108
00:48:45,549 --> 00:48:43,010
Intel from we've something's there what

1109
00:48:47,380 --> 00:48:45,559
is it and stuff but he's not he's not a

1110
00:48:49,900 --> 00:48:47,390
physicist he's not you know one of these

1111
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:49,910
guys he's not even he's a counter-intel

1112
00:48:54,370 --> 00:48:52,880
guy where Green was an Intel guy and

1113
00:48:54,700 --> 00:48:54,380
there's a difference do you know what I

1114
00:49:00,370 --> 00:48:54,710
mean

1115
00:49:04,029 --> 00:49:00,380
well I I think I do in that Intel

1116
00:49:06,279 --> 00:49:04,039
analyst and that's not what Lou was if I

1117
00:49:08,049 --> 00:49:06,289
had some information on terrorists that

1118
00:49:11,470 --> 00:49:08,059
we're about to pull something off I

1119
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:11,480
would go to a guy like Elizondo he's

1120
00:49:16,299 --> 00:49:14,210
gonna go with his team and and figure

1121
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:16,309
out what's going on right right right

1122
00:49:20,740 --> 00:49:19,010
but wait and then he's also gonna be a

1123
00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:20,750
guy to get were dropped inside behind

1124
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:23,839
enemy lines spread disinformation he

1125
00:49:29,549 --> 00:49:26,000
looks like he would be dropped behind

1126
00:49:32,319 --> 00:49:29,559
enemy lines right he's an intimidating

1127
00:49:34,599 --> 00:49:32,329
looking guy well he doesn't come off

1128
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:34,609
that way he's a nice guy but I'm just

1129
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:37,760
saying he's not what the way he's been

1130
00:49:42,519 --> 00:49:39,680
spun up he's

1131
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:42,529
that wasn't my impression of him and the

1132
00:49:45,550 --> 00:49:44,089
other thing that was my impression of

1133
00:49:48,100 --> 00:49:45,560
them and it could be cuz

1134
00:49:49,900 --> 00:49:48,110
counter-intel he and but he's made

1135
00:49:51,970 --> 00:49:49,910
mistakes when he's done these speeches

1136
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:51,980
and stuff is he doesn't have a thorough

1137
00:49:57,100 --> 00:49:54,050
background and a lot of this stuff on

1138
00:49:59,680 --> 00:49:57,110
UFOs and technology yeah and some of the

1139
00:50:01,420 --> 00:49:59,690
technology because what what I told you

1140
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:01,430
earlier on was I said they approached me

1141
00:50:05,950 --> 00:50:03,920
for the second season well one of the

1142
00:50:09,460 --> 00:50:05,960
things that I did how much time do we

1143
00:50:11,980 --> 00:50:09,470
got three minutes yes okay I did FOIA

1144
00:50:13,930 --> 00:50:11,990
through the mo D I went after him on

1145
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:13,940
condign technology and everything else

1146
00:50:20,410 --> 00:50:17,810
and I got a foia back that is national

1147
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:20,420
security based it really is I got the

1148
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:21,890
kitchen sink thrown at me of why they

1149
00:50:26,590 --> 00:50:23,690
wouldn't release most of it and how

1150
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:26,600
important it is not to get out and in it

1151
00:50:30,430 --> 00:50:28,610
they've black they've blacked out most

1152
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:30,440
of the stuff but they left open a

1153
00:50:36,250 --> 00:50:32,810
competition or company that builds tanks

1154
00:50:38,020 --> 00:50:36,260
and so I was able to start background

1155
00:50:41,590 --> 00:50:38,030
checking this company and working on

1156
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:41,600
that in but I brought that up and he act

1157
00:50:46,180 --> 00:50:42,890
like he didn't know anything about it

1158
00:50:48,190 --> 00:50:46,190
whoa just recently they contacted me

1159
00:50:49,570 --> 00:50:48,200
about those documents one to know some

1160
00:50:50,890 --> 00:50:49,580
more stuff and I told him no I'm not

1161
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:50,900
working with you you screwed up the last

1162
00:50:55,350 --> 00:50:52,850
one I'm not doing this next one who

1163
00:50:58,540 --> 00:50:55,360
contacted you the producer of the show

1164
00:51:00,580 --> 00:50:58,550
directly that didn't identify what I

1165
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:00,590
meant last year and she contacted me

1166
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:00,890
again

1167
00:51:04,990 --> 00:51:02,960
and she wanted these documents and

1168
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:05,000
wanted me to talk about it and I didn't

1169
00:51:08,350 --> 00:51:06,800
know about the contract with an army yet

1170
00:51:11,050 --> 00:51:08,360
and then their contract from the Army

1171
00:51:14,380 --> 00:51:11,060
comes out well here's the thing when I

1172
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:14,390
did my research and I did some of it and

1173
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:15,890
there's a guy in England that does a lot

1174
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:18,170
of really good research his name's James

1175
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:18,650
Worrell

1176
00:51:23,260 --> 00:51:20,240
and he's great and I know he's listening

1177
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:23,270
tonight so James you're the you're the

1178
00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:26,330
man we did some back checking and he did

1179
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:28,250
some back checking and what we found out

1180
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:31,370
and through an engineer is that they are

1181
00:51:38,650 --> 00:51:35,570
able to cloak tanks and this was

1182
00:51:41,500 --> 00:51:38,660
revealed in in a Freedom of Information

1183
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:41,510
Act document from the Ministry of

1184
00:51:46,990 --> 00:51:44,570
Defense well the the device that makes

1185
00:51:49,810 --> 00:51:47,000
them be able to do it was was what

1186
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:49,820
revealed right and in this document it

1187
00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:52,130
mentioned tanks in a particular company

1188
00:51:57,900 --> 00:51:57,200
I'm not asking what they forgot to black

1189
00:51:59,940 --> 00:51:57,910
that out

1190
00:52:02,579 --> 00:51:59,950
okay and they also we were able to back

1191
00:52:05,849 --> 00:52:02,589
up the age systems in England and they

1192
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:05,859
are able to cloak tanks yeah they've

1193
00:52:10,319 --> 00:52:07,690
actually put that out on the Internet

1194
00:52:11,579 --> 00:52:10,329
that that zumwalt-class destroyer which

1195
00:52:13,620 --> 00:52:11,589
is interesting I didn't know the Navy

1196
00:52:16,529 --> 00:52:13,630
was involved in this the zumwalt-class

1197
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:16,539
destroyer they're working they show

1198
00:52:20,970 --> 00:52:17,650
pictures where they can make it

1199
00:52:23,609 --> 00:52:20,980
disappear and the tanks they're working

1200
00:52:26,190 --> 00:52:23,619
on that and it involves material and

1201
00:52:29,190 --> 00:52:26,200
certain technology but the issue they're

1202
00:52:31,319 --> 00:52:29,200
having and it goes back to the to the

1203
00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:31,329
DIA paper that there was released to

1204
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:33,280
McCain's office to McCain's committee

1205
00:52:39,539 --> 00:52:36,000
that has to do with the metric taser

1206
00:52:42,180 --> 00:52:39,549
paper that put off row okay hmm

1207
00:52:43,650 --> 00:52:42,190
the the issue they're having is the tank

1208
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:43,660
is supposed to go from A to B and it

1209
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:45,490
shows up somewhere else completely when

1210
00:52:49,829 --> 00:52:47,680
it D clogs well but like the

1211
00:52:51,569 --> 00:52:49,839
Philadelphia Experiment like the elders

1212
00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:51,579
that's the closest thing you can yeah

1213
00:52:57,870 --> 00:52:54,250
now now we're getting into real science

1214
00:53:02,760 --> 00:52:57,880
fiction here but the the fact that this

1215
00:53:06,809 --> 00:53:02,770
was mentioned in this Ministry of

1216
00:53:09,539 --> 00:53:06,819
Defense document would imply that they

1217
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:09,549
have a cloaking ability that's one thing

1218
00:53:14,940 --> 00:53:12,250
to make something you know invisible to

1219
00:53:16,829 --> 00:53:14,950
the human eye you know that's uh that

1220
00:53:19,970 --> 00:53:16,839
that could be some type of advanced

1221
00:53:23,099 --> 00:53:19,980
parlor trick or are we talking about

1222
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:23,109
making something physically disappear

1223
00:53:31,289 --> 00:53:27,970
and appear somewhere else it's that's

1224
00:53:32,819 --> 00:53:31,299
the second one really yep you know

1225
00:53:35,609 --> 00:53:32,829
that's that's that's going to be a lot

1226
00:53:39,890 --> 00:53:35,619
for people to digest here and and is

1227
00:53:43,049 --> 00:53:39,900
this is is this what put off and

1228
00:53:45,690 --> 00:53:43,059
terahertz frequencies is is involved

1229
00:53:48,359 --> 00:53:45,700
with with the metamaterials yeah and it

1230
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:48,369
has to do with the iam generator the

1231
00:53:54,329 --> 00:53:51,520
power source the computing all that it

1232
00:53:57,900 --> 00:53:54,339
all ties into the whole thing and if

1233
00:54:00,720 --> 00:53:57,910
that is the case then is this an

1234
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:00,730
offworld technology or is this something

1235
00:54:05,279 --> 00:54:03,490
of this earth well here's the

1236
00:54:07,950 --> 00:54:05,289
interesting thing and I talked to James

1237
00:54:10,500 --> 00:54:07,960
today he tracked down some documents

1238
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:10,510
where the Navy was working with certain

1239
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:11,890
technology

1240
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:15,970
they were trying to patch up a Holland

1241
00:54:21,479 --> 00:54:18,160
chip and and they would use this laser

1242
00:54:24,029 --> 00:54:21,489
in frequency technology right and things

1243
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:24,039
were not when they were you doing it

1244
00:54:29,039 --> 00:54:25,690
things were ending up somewhere else

1245
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:29,049
like the Philadelphia Experiment okay

1246
00:54:32,460 --> 00:54:30,640
let's take a break right here we got to

1247
00:54:34,829 --> 00:54:32,470
continue this when we come back it says

1248
00:54:37,650 --> 00:54:34,839
this is getting to be pretty deep and

1249
00:54:39,809 --> 00:54:37,660
the the other part about this though

1250
00:54:45,150 --> 00:54:39,819
John which we're going to discuss after

1251
00:54:49,319 --> 00:54:45,160
the break is this what the crater deal

1252
00:54:51,569 --> 00:54:49,329
with the Army is dealing with I find

1253
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:51,579
that very very interesting and why would

1254
00:54:57,029 --> 00:54:53,920
they go through an entertainment company

1255
00:54:59,130 --> 00:54:57,039
to get to this technology this is fade

1256
00:55:01,049 --> 00:54:59,140
to black I'm here Jimmy Church our guest

1257
00:55:05,070 --> 00:55:01,059
tonight John Burroughs stay with us

1258
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:43,220
[Music]

1259
00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:45,330
welcome back feed the black I'm used to

1260
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:47,680
be Church I guess tonight John burrows

1261
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:49,920
we're talking about to the stars a tip

1262
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:54,570
the cast of characters that is involved

1263
00:55:59,220 --> 00:55:56,770
incredible conversation tomorrow night's

1264
00:56:02,849 --> 00:55:59,230
Fator night with open lines all night

1265
00:56:06,030 --> 00:56:02,859
long okay John these are pretty big

1266
00:56:08,609 --> 00:56:06,040
revelations and I understand you know

1267
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:08,619
cloaking and technology and active

1268
00:56:15,900 --> 00:56:12,850
surfaces and the ability to mimic your

1269
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:15,910
surroundings and I get that part of it

1270
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:18,640
but when we are going to another level

1271
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:21,040
of using focused

1272
00:56:29,490 --> 00:56:25,170
eeehm energies to make something

1273
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:29,500
disappear and appear somewhere else that

1274
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:31,690
that is something altogether different

1275
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:35,410
and what does this any of this have to

1276
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:39,010
do with disclosure and to the stars and

1277
00:56:45,030 --> 00:56:42,730
in an entertainment company and and UFOs

1278
00:56:48,210 --> 00:56:45,040
well let me backtrack a little bit okay

1279
00:56:50,910 --> 00:56:48,220
when when I entered when I when when

1280
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:50,920
green showed up and we went through all

1281
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:53,050
this the original senator was helping

1282
00:56:56,790 --> 00:56:55,330
with Senator Kyl and his aide was the

1283
00:56:59,609 --> 00:56:56,800
one that found out my stuff was

1284
00:57:00,359 --> 00:56:59,619
classified then he retired he didn't run

1285
00:57:03,150 --> 00:57:00,369
for reelection

1286
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:03,160
and McCain took over and what happened

1287
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:06,160
was that when the bombshell came back

1288
00:57:11,550 --> 00:57:09,850
where they denied me my disability and

1289
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:11,560
everything based on the fact I wasn't

1290
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:12,970
even in the military and there was

1291
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:14,970
clearly plenty of proof that I was

1292
00:57:19,290 --> 00:57:17,410
that's when things got ugly and he got

1293
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:19,300
really into it personally

1294
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:21,010
right and Department of Justice got

1295
00:57:26,220 --> 00:57:23,410
brought into this but what's interesting

1296
00:57:29,790 --> 00:57:26,230
about this Jimmy which most people again

1297
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:29,800
it goes right over heads is that who did

1298
00:57:36,510 --> 00:57:32,170
they go after what committee did they go

1299
00:57:38,430 --> 00:57:36,520
after when they went to DC they went

1300
00:57:41,580 --> 00:57:38,440
after McCain's committee before he died

1301
00:57:45,660 --> 00:57:41,590
and what is his committee military

1302
00:57:49,980 --> 00:57:45,670
technology appropriations and the DIA

1303
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:49,990
which putt-off worked for came in and

1304
00:57:57,590 --> 00:57:53,730
gave papers that Knapp released

1305
00:57:59,420 --> 00:57:57,600
which they're not what they gave out was

1306
00:58:01,160 --> 00:57:59,430
stuff that you could find on the net so

1307
00:58:03,290 --> 00:58:01,170
the decline this was this was the

1308
00:58:05,690 --> 00:58:03,300
Declassified version not the classified

1309
00:58:07,340 --> 00:58:05,700
briefings that took place with McCain

1310
00:58:10,510 --> 00:58:07,350
and his committee but they went to

1311
00:58:14,300 --> 00:58:10,520
McCain to get money for technology and

1312
00:58:17,540 --> 00:58:14,310
McCain knew if he didn't already know

1313
00:58:20,270 --> 00:58:17,550
when before my incident but once it got

1314
00:58:22,130 --> 00:58:20,280
ugly of mine he found out some stuff

1315
00:58:23,450 --> 00:58:22,140
that he wasn't happy with I met with him

1316
00:58:27,410 --> 00:58:23,460
personally and we talked about some of

1317
00:58:28,790 --> 00:58:27,420
it and so who do they go to afterwards

1318
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:28,800
when they found out first of all McCain

1319
00:58:32,510 --> 00:58:30,090
was handling my case they went straight

1320
00:58:33,740 --> 00:58:32,520
to McCain in appropriations why would

1321
00:58:38,570 --> 00:58:33,750
you do that if you were looking for

1322
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:38,580
disclosure yeah let's let's continue

1323
00:58:45,020 --> 00:58:42,090
let's put this together right so now you

1324
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:45,030
have McCain and and I've tried to tell

1325
00:58:52,490 --> 00:58:47,730
these people look at the the research

1326
00:58:54,170 --> 00:58:52,500
papers and look at what was being

1327
00:58:57,830 --> 00:58:54,180
discussed in him and where they're going

1328
00:58:59,900 --> 00:58:57,840
and then well they run into debt in the

1329
00:59:01,940 --> 00:58:59,910
guy that wrote it won't tell me well

1330
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:01,950
there is a trail you just got to know

1331
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:03,570
how to go backpack it's just like how I

1332
00:59:08,690 --> 00:59:06,210
got to the mo D the way I did you have

1333
00:59:11,740 --> 00:59:08,700
to start looking at documents and what's

1334
00:59:13,970 --> 00:59:11,750
in them and and there's a guy who was an

1335
00:59:16,970 --> 00:59:13,980
arch-nemesis of mine for a long time and

1336
00:59:19,310 --> 00:59:16,980
then I've come to gain some respect for

1337
00:59:22,010 --> 00:59:19,320
him and stuff his name's David Clarke in

1338
00:59:25,670 --> 00:59:22,020
the UK and he goes after the mo D

1339
00:59:28,070 --> 00:59:25,680
viciously on technology and stuff like

1340
00:59:29,660 --> 00:59:28,080
that and he's come to believe now

1341
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:29,670
they're hiding something he's just not

1342
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:33,330
sure what but the thing is when you go

1343
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:36,330
through documents they slip up they give

1344
00:59:41,780 --> 00:59:38,130
little pieces of information it's just

1345
00:59:43,340 --> 00:59:41,790
like the one I got VA a systems and the

1346
00:59:45,170 --> 00:59:43,350
tank company and then you start

1347
00:59:47,210 --> 00:59:45,180
researching the companies and you start

1348
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:47,220
researching the patents and you start

1349
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:49,530
doing this and you do more FOIAs you

1350
00:59:54,590 --> 00:59:51,450
know what I mean and you start finding

1351
00:59:57,530 --> 00:59:54,600
out the technology and James whorls

1352
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:57,540
great at doing that and then you start

1353
01:00:02,150 --> 01:00:00,480
finding stuff out like well the Navy was

1354
01:00:04,130 --> 01:00:02,160
doing some of this stuff and they had

1355
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:04,140
Philadelphia experiment type incidents

1356
01:00:07,820 --> 01:00:06,050
that are real and declassified documents

1357
01:00:09,710 --> 01:00:07,830
but

1358
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:09,720
was it the Philadelphia Experiment or

1359
01:00:13,010 --> 01:00:11,760
was that just a cover story to cover for

1360
01:00:16,220 --> 01:00:13,020
the stuff that they're learning as they

1361
01:00:20,180 --> 01:00:16,230
go along it's just like with do you know

1362
01:00:27,350 --> 01:00:20,190
how radar was discovered well the if we

1363
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:27,360
stay on this John the the ability to to

1364
01:00:32,770 --> 01:00:29,490
do this with the tank or with the Zim

1365
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:32,780
Walt you know class ships with the Navy

1366
01:00:41,390 --> 01:00:37,050
then the materials to do this are

1367
01:00:43,580 --> 01:00:41,400
already in play was this because of how

1368
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:43,590
put off bringing these meta materials

1369
01:00:55,220 --> 01:00:50,730
already to the DoD or you know why go

1370
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:55,230
back and fund research into these meta

1371
01:01:00,590 --> 01:00:57,090
materials if they've already made the

1372
01:01:01,100 --> 01:01:00,600
progress with disappearing ships and

1373
01:01:04,190 --> 01:01:01,110
tanks

1374
01:01:06,020 --> 01:01:04,200
well for starters you'd have to bring

1375
01:01:09,110 --> 01:01:06,030
somebody inside that would be willing to

1376
01:01:13,070 --> 01:01:09,120
talk in the DoD how aren't he's done and

1377
01:01:15,110 --> 01:01:13,080
how projects can like get taken partly

1378
01:01:16,490 --> 01:01:15,120
developed to put on the shelf like for

1379
01:01:18,290 --> 01:01:16,500
example one of the things that's being

1380
01:01:20,090 --> 01:01:18,300
discussed now to take us into space is

1381
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:20,100
the technology I've had for 25 years

1382
01:01:25,460 --> 01:01:22,290
involves nuclear propulsion and some

1383
01:01:27,290 --> 01:01:25,470
other stuff right magnetic stuff well

1384
01:01:30,530 --> 01:01:27,300
that was developed and in Scheldt

1385
01:01:33,140 --> 01:01:30,540
because of cost okay and look at the y22

1386
01:01:35,210 --> 01:01:33,150
that air the stealth plane right right

1387
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:35,220
they were gonna build well I'm just

1388
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:36,930
gonna give you a number I don't know 500

1389
01:01:42,110 --> 01:01:39,210
and the cost was pretty prohibitive and

1390
01:01:44,420 --> 01:01:42,120
they only built 250 and then later the

1391
01:01:46,130 --> 01:01:44,430
f-35 came in which is gonna be double

1392
01:01:47,900 --> 01:01:46,140
what he's white going to and they said

1393
01:01:51,350 --> 01:01:47,910
oh my god if we just would have built

1394
01:01:54,500 --> 01:01:51,360
the 500 y 22s and then kept building

1395
01:01:56,510 --> 01:01:54,510
them the y22 is actually good more than

1396
01:01:57,950 --> 01:01:56,520
do what we need even though the f-35

1397
01:02:00,550 --> 01:01:57,960
will eventually be a better airplane

1398
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:00,560
based on the helmet so it's all about

1399
01:02:07,580 --> 01:02:05,130
R&D funding and viability and one of the

1400
01:02:09,050 --> 01:02:07,590
guys that was an investigative reporter

1401
01:02:11,630 --> 01:02:09,060
and ended up working inside the Pentagon

1402
01:02:13,850 --> 01:02:11,640
for Andy Marshall who goes by Yoda who

1403
01:02:15,500 --> 01:02:13,860
got booted out in Obama and is now back

1404
01:02:17,450 --> 01:02:15,510
under Trump is

1405
01:02:19,190 --> 01:02:17,460
advanced technologies cost a lot of

1406
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:19,200
money not only to develop but to

1407
01:02:24,740 --> 01:02:21,330
implement you know look at the cost of

1408
01:02:25,430 --> 01:02:24,750
the f-35 compared to the f-16 and the 15

1409
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:25,440
you know what I mean

1410
01:02:32,390 --> 01:02:29,850
and the f-18 so there's always a

1411
01:02:33,980 --> 01:02:32,400
hesitant on funding and stuff well what

1412
01:02:36,830 --> 01:02:33,990
was one of the things that they did and

1413
01:02:39,650 --> 01:02:36,840
he does in this in a series and they've

1414
01:02:42,500 --> 01:02:39,660
done this publicly well you know we

1415
01:02:46,130 --> 01:02:42,510
don't really can't say for sure what did

1416
01:02:48,590 --> 01:02:46,140
mellon say not Mellon but justice well I

1417
01:02:49,580 --> 01:02:48,600
can't say it isn't our technology but I

1418
01:02:52,070 --> 01:02:49,590
can't say it is and I definitely

1419
01:02:54,710 --> 01:02:52,080
couldn't if it was and then you know you

1420
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:54,720
have Mellon side step in Allah's Ando

1421
01:03:00,080 --> 01:02:57,690
leave it is well whatever it is it's a

1422
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:00,090
threat and if it is from somewhere else

1423
01:03:04,100 --> 01:03:02,730
or it's another country has it or is

1424
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:04,110
trying to get it we got to beat them to

1425
01:03:07,070 --> 01:03:04,410
it

1426
01:03:09,050 --> 01:03:07,080
so what's that go back to the industrial

1427
01:03:11,450 --> 01:03:09,060
military complex and getting funding and

1428
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:11,460
you can't go to Congress and get funding

1429
01:03:14,990 --> 01:03:13,530
on a whim you know what I mean you got

1430
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:15,000
to have a reason and you got to have a

1431
01:03:22,940 --> 01:03:19,410
threat well okay so then what would the

1432
01:03:26,330 --> 01:03:22,950
Pentagon want to do with this technology

1433
01:03:28,610 --> 01:03:26,340
in that we could have invisible tanks

1434
01:03:30,770 --> 01:03:28,620
and ships we could save a lot of money

1435
01:03:32,270 --> 01:03:30,780
build less of them because they're going

1436
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:32,280
to be invisible nobody's going to be

1437
01:03:38,900 --> 01:03:34,530
able to shoot at them or see them or

1438
01:03:42,140 --> 01:03:38,910
build a billion more tanks that is a

1439
01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:42,150
proven technology and we understand that

1440
01:03:46,340 --> 01:03:44,640
you know with the Carl said there's

1441
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:46,350
always a battle and that's the

1442
01:03:50,690 --> 01:03:48,570
interesting part that kind of caught my

1443
01:03:53,210 --> 01:03:50,700
attention they say there's a battle in

1444
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:53,220
sight on the hard right Christians you

1445
01:03:57,260 --> 01:03:55,200
know as far as stopping this I don't

1446
01:03:59,210 --> 01:03:57,270
think that's what's going on here I

1447
01:04:01,610 --> 01:03:59,220
think there's a hardcore battle on

1448
01:04:02,990 --> 01:04:01,620
funding and you know it's no different

1449
01:04:05,300 --> 01:04:03,000
than what happened when they wanted to

1450
01:04:06,980 --> 01:04:05,310
create space force you know why do we

1451
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:06,990
need to space for us we have the Air

1452
01:04:11,690 --> 01:04:09,450
Force and it can just be a branched off

1453
01:04:13,820 --> 01:04:11,700
but they want to separate it for

1454
01:04:15,110 --> 01:04:13,830
whatever reason there's always a battle

1455
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:15,120
for funding every year

1456
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:17,610
each service goes in with their toys and

1457
01:04:23,510 --> 01:04:20,490
what they want and and then it's

1458
01:04:25,190 --> 01:04:23,520
viability like you said I can build you

1459
01:04:27,230 --> 01:04:25,200
know Trump himself came out and said

1460
01:04:29,180 --> 01:04:27,240
well why don't we needed f-35 for when

1461
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:29,190
we got the 1516 and

1462
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:31,290
you know 18 and there's nothing that can

1463
01:04:35,150 --> 01:04:33,690
counter that right now on top of he I

1464
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:35,160
remember how he went crazy about that

1465
01:04:39,500 --> 01:04:37,410
new catapult on that Ford it didn't work

1466
01:04:42,260 --> 01:04:39,510
why did we change it when it didn't work

1467
01:04:43,790 --> 01:04:42,270
why do we spend this kind of money when

1468
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:43,800
the technology we had just could be

1469
01:04:47,450 --> 01:04:45,690
modified and work for years to come

1470
01:04:49,010 --> 01:04:47,460
you know what I mean so there's a

1471
01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:49,020
constant battle for funding

1472
01:04:54,970 --> 01:04:53,520
yeah and how with you know TTS a

1473
01:04:57,020 --> 01:04:54,980
just-released Bob lazarre's

1474
01:04:59,059 --> 01:04:57,030
autobiography I'm not sure Bob actually

1475
01:05:01,819 --> 01:04:59,069
wrote the book but nonetheless that was

1476
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:01,829
just released it's all about UFOs UFOs

1477
01:05:11,319 --> 01:05:07,530
unidentified how did we suddenly twist

1478
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:11,329
this company from being an entertainment

1479
01:05:18,140 --> 01:05:14,970
paranormal supernatural UFO company into

1480
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:18,150
what appears to be a defense contractor

1481
01:05:22,370 --> 01:05:20,490
and was that was that the intention from

1482
01:05:24,950 --> 01:05:22,380
the beginning DS okay here's here's

1483
01:05:26,420 --> 01:05:24,960
where I really when you said I walked

1484
01:05:29,089 --> 01:05:26,430
away from this weather I really got

1485
01:05:33,589 --> 01:05:29,099
disgusted and it's kind of a two-prong

1486
01:05:36,020 --> 01:05:33,599
thing number one I got to be careful

1487
01:05:37,700 --> 01:05:36,030
what I say but I had privy inside

1488
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:37,710
information that other people didn't get

1489
01:05:41,870 --> 01:05:40,170
and some of it had to do with Linda too

1490
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:41,880
at the time because she was working with

1491
01:05:45,980 --> 01:05:43,890
the bhisma and I guess she's going to do

1492
01:05:49,790 --> 01:05:45,990
a tell-all coming up here in the next

1493
01:05:52,849 --> 01:05:49,800
week or two with Greenwald but the thing

1494
01:05:55,790 --> 01:05:52,859
was is that they claimed they thought

1495
01:05:58,700 --> 01:05:55,800
they could fund this throughput issuing

1496
01:06:00,140 --> 01:05:58,710
stocks and bonds and you know books and

1497
01:06:02,690 --> 01:06:00,150
all this other stuff and that's why they

1498
01:06:04,130 --> 01:06:02,700
made the entertainment and I was on the

1499
01:06:06,410 --> 01:06:04,140
horn and I wasn't going to tell you who

1500
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:06,420
inside the organization but we got into

1501
01:06:10,670 --> 01:06:08,010
a pretty heavy and I said are you

1502
01:06:12,559 --> 01:06:10,680
kidding me I said the money you raised

1503
01:06:14,750 --> 01:06:12,569
or could raise this way wouldn't even

1504
01:06:17,870 --> 01:06:14,760
fund the building and a year's worth of

1505
01:06:19,309 --> 01:06:17,880
research let alone that you're don't try

1506
01:06:22,309 --> 01:06:19,319
to sell me the fact that you really

1507
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:22,319
thought that you know what who's the

1508
01:06:29,660 --> 01:06:26,210
author that wrote the book with dough on

1509
01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:29,670
which one I mean there's Peter Levin de

1510
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:30,089
Rodes

1511
01:06:34,670 --> 01:06:32,010
defended stuff right not seeing that

1512
01:06:37,339 --> 01:06:34,680
they did crappy work but there's no way

1513
01:06:41,059 --> 01:06:37,349
that this guy based on his background

1514
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:41,069
and he ran a major defense program so

1515
01:06:45,290 --> 01:06:42,570
most people figure I don't talk

1516
01:06:46,250 --> 01:06:45,300
about and he's gonna try and sell me the

1517
01:06:48,250 --> 01:06:46,260
bill of goods they thought they were

1518
01:06:52,070 --> 01:06:48,260
gonna fund this and everything through

1519
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:52,080
private enterprise they were looking for

1520
01:06:57,140 --> 01:06:54,810
DoD contracts and and and and if it

1521
01:06:58,850 --> 01:06:57,150
didn't if I didn't believe it then when

1522
01:07:00,860 --> 01:06:58,860
I found out about the documents that

1523
01:07:03,890 --> 01:07:00,870
they went to McCain right away in his

1524
01:07:07,940 --> 01:07:03,900
committee that come on that's that's all

1525
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:07,950
about technology funding just like your

1526
01:07:15,620 --> 01:07:11,210
Freedom of Information Act mo D Doc's

1527
01:07:17,930 --> 01:07:15,630
right right right at BAE Systems one of

1528
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:17,940
the things that is out there now is they

1529
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:27,790
and staying on this and and kind of

1530
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:31,050
sidestepping a little bit into the

1531
01:07:38,060 --> 01:07:34,890
tic-tac videos what's your what's your

1532
01:07:41,090 --> 01:07:38,070
take on that is is what was seen out

1533
01:07:43,610 --> 01:07:41,100
there was that was that man made was

1534
01:07:45,430 --> 01:07:43,620
that terrestrial well let me let me

1535
01:07:49,370 --> 01:07:45,440
backtrack to our incident okay

1536
01:07:52,090 --> 01:07:49,380
when our incident took place I mean it

1537
01:07:54,770 --> 01:07:52,100
was much simpler times and the whole

1538
01:07:58,550 --> 01:07:54,780
state of Technology was different than

1539
01:08:00,860 --> 01:07:58,560
that we knew of and you and no clue this

1540
01:08:03,170 --> 01:08:00,870
it was an emphasis stage of you know

1541
01:08:05,450 --> 01:08:03,180
radars had been around since the 40s but

1542
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:05,460
all this stuff you just you didn't have

1543
01:08:09,590 --> 01:08:07,770
the Internet in all this so when we saw

1544
01:08:12,170 --> 01:08:09,600
the stuff that we did and the encounters

1545
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:12,180
that we had we walked away like no way

1546
01:08:16,250 --> 01:08:14,970
there is no way and you know besides the

1547
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:16,260
fact they tried to sell this the

1548
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:18,330
lighthouse but I never told you this

1549
01:08:23,329 --> 01:08:20,730
Jimmy but through research through James

1550
01:08:26,030 --> 01:08:23,339
Worrell guess what the lighthouse may

1551
01:08:29,060 --> 01:08:26,040
have played a factor in the Rendlesham

1552
01:08:31,550 --> 01:08:29,070
case and you know why why because they

1553
01:08:33,710 --> 01:08:31,560
had it wired up to an e/m technology

1554
01:08:36,980 --> 01:08:33,720
generating technology and it was pulsing

1555
01:08:40,180 --> 01:08:36,990
e/m technology generation pulses into

1556
01:08:41,390 --> 01:08:40,190
into the forest area where we work ok

1557
01:08:44,060 --> 01:08:41,400
sorry

1558
01:08:46,460 --> 01:08:44,070
already they were working on this stuff

1559
01:08:48,349 --> 01:08:46,470
Marconi was which ended up being bought

1560
01:08:51,620 --> 01:08:48,359
up by BAE Systems in General Electric

1561
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:51,630
they were working on AM technology and

1562
01:08:56,180 --> 01:08:53,850
stealth and everything right back then

1563
01:08:58,820 --> 01:08:56,190
okay but

1564
01:09:01,070 --> 01:08:58,830
we didn't know any of that and neither

1565
01:09:02,899 --> 01:09:01,080
did the majority of the people at the

1566
01:09:04,729 --> 01:09:02,909
base you know maybe the Wing Commander

1567
01:09:06,349 --> 01:09:04,739
Williams did and I can talk a little bit

1568
01:09:08,530 --> 01:09:06,359
about him in a minute it'll blow your

1569
01:09:11,899 --> 01:09:08,540
mind what I found out about him later on

1570
01:09:13,729 --> 01:09:11,909
fright from him directly but the thing

1571
01:09:16,099 --> 01:09:13,739
was is that we walked away saying

1572
01:09:18,379 --> 01:09:16,109
there's no way do not insult our

1573
01:09:21,620 --> 01:09:18,389
integrity or unsought our intelligence

1574
01:09:26,660 --> 01:09:21,630
that this was us do you know what I mean

1575
01:09:29,030 --> 01:09:26,670
and ossible like 30 years later all

1576
01:09:31,010 --> 01:09:29,040
these documents were Declassified and by

1577
01:09:32,660 --> 01:09:31,020
golly you can pretty much explain just

1578
01:09:34,910 --> 01:09:32,670
about everything that happened to us why

1579
01:09:36,410 --> 01:09:34,920
it happened through technology we were

1580
01:09:38,629 --> 01:09:36,420
working on right outside the back gate

1581
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:38,639
at that time would that explain the

1582
01:09:43,939 --> 01:09:41,730
object in the forest though maybe that

1583
01:09:46,789 --> 01:09:43,949
because well first of all the blue

1584
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:46,799
lights in the sky they were working on

1585
01:09:53,749 --> 01:09:49,650
lasers and tracking plasmas which tie

1586
01:09:55,610 --> 01:09:53,759
into all this later that um that they

1587
01:09:57,890 --> 01:09:55,620
could direct with the lasers what did

1588
01:10:00,080 --> 01:09:57,900
Paul say saw beams of light coming down

1589
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:00,090
and these things flying around mm-hmm

1590
01:10:04,100 --> 01:10:02,610
well at that point we don't have that

1591
01:10:05,870 --> 01:10:04,110
kind of technology there's no way it is

1592
01:10:08,090 --> 01:10:05,880
yeah well we actually did and we were

1593
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:08,100
working on it oh and they were actually

1594
01:10:12,169 --> 01:10:10,770
using it to to track Soviet satellites

1595
01:10:14,899 --> 01:10:12,179
and one of them may have been brought

1596
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:14,909
down during the entire event which would

1597
01:10:17,810 --> 01:10:16,530
halt even-handed way back could have

1598
01:10:19,310 --> 01:10:17,820
been international in sand on top of

1599
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:19,320
everything else now here's the

1600
01:10:26,870 --> 01:10:23,690
interesting thing about a craft what

1601
01:10:28,820 --> 01:10:26,880
Penniston claims it was a crap but when

1602
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:28,830
you get close to ian's frequencies and

1603
01:10:32,510 --> 01:10:30,449
stuff like that and if you go into

1604
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:32,520
condign it tells you that when you get

1605
01:10:35,330 --> 01:10:34,050
close to something like that it alters

1606
01:10:36,410 --> 01:10:35,340
your perception what you think you're

1607
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:36,420
seeing what you're doing what then

1608
01:10:40,939 --> 01:10:39,690
what's going on okay I could and

1609
01:10:42,470 --> 01:10:40,949
certainly with the peniston's

1610
01:10:44,300 --> 01:10:42,480
description but he also had that

1611
01:10:47,390 --> 01:10:44,310
interesting download about time

1612
01:10:49,580 --> 01:10:47,400
travelers from the future well let's

1613
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:49,590
don't go into that tonight but let's not

1614
01:10:54,050 --> 01:10:52,170
go into it's completely discredited in a

1615
01:10:55,879 --> 01:10:54,060
lot of ways I know I realize that I

1616
01:10:58,220 --> 01:10:55,889
don't know and what I'm getting at is

1617
01:11:02,540 --> 01:10:58,230
I'm trying to focus in on technology and

1618
01:11:02,990 --> 01:11:02,550
so did is flavor being lying most likely

1619
01:11:04,939 --> 01:11:03,000
not

1620
01:11:09,500 --> 01:11:04,949
could he know it's our technology

1621
01:11:11,930 --> 01:11:09,510
possibly but I doubt it um and one

1622
01:11:13,370 --> 01:11:11,940
the excuses is which I just did a show a

1623
01:11:16,490 --> 01:11:13,380
Kevin day in a couple of the other guys

1624
01:11:18,290 --> 01:11:16,500
were involved and we kind of kind of got

1625
01:11:20,979 --> 01:11:18,300
them thinking a little bit about why it

1626
01:11:24,109 --> 01:11:20,989
could have been a test but ultimately

1627
01:11:27,290 --> 01:11:24,119
they're going to have to test this on

1628
01:11:28,970 --> 01:11:27,300
real live equipment they claim none of

1629
01:11:30,740 --> 01:11:28,980
them or debrief but they wanted all the

1630
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:30,750
data which is sensors and everything

1631
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:32,010
else right mm-hmm

1632
01:11:35,569 --> 01:11:33,449
it took place for this and both

1633
01:11:37,359 --> 01:11:35,579
incidents right but the interesting

1634
01:11:42,470 --> 01:11:37,369
thing which no one wants to talk about

1635
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:42,480
what a wonder the pilots say in that was

1636
01:11:48,620 --> 01:11:45,570
released it's a fleet of drones ranked

1637
01:11:50,540 --> 01:11:48,630
fleet of them right right but no one

1638
01:11:52,339 --> 01:11:50,550
wants to talk about that oh wait a

1639
01:11:54,740 --> 01:11:52,349
minute let's let's go back in time a

1640
01:11:58,520 --> 01:11:54,750
little bit well well what did you say

1641
01:12:00,379 --> 01:11:58,530
what was the guy the other day um Rogan

1642
01:12:03,589 --> 01:12:00,389
said well I believe now because the

1643
01:12:05,750 --> 01:12:03,599
pilots saw something right right but

1644
01:12:07,750 --> 01:12:05,760
wait a minute the pilots one of them

1645
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:07,760
said it was drones well I just

1646
01:12:12,169 --> 01:12:10,530
misidentified him it wasn't drones well

1647
01:12:15,470 --> 01:12:12,179
no one followed up on it

1648
01:12:18,830 --> 01:12:15,480
number one you know and why did he think

1649
01:12:22,430 --> 01:12:18,840
they were drones so there was a clue

1650
01:12:24,350 --> 01:12:22,440
right there that well maybe it was our

1651
01:12:27,709 --> 01:12:24,360
technology do you understand what I mean

1652
01:12:30,020 --> 01:12:27,719
I do and no one wants to acknowledge

1653
01:12:32,390 --> 01:12:30,030
that because all the people that get

1654
01:12:33,979 --> 01:12:32,400
behind us just believe that they just

1655
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:33,989
saved us because we're gonna get

1656
01:12:39,350 --> 01:12:36,090
disclosure from this group that most

1657
01:12:40,879 --> 01:12:39,360
show me where they've done anything to

1658
01:12:43,729 --> 01:12:40,889
further disclosure what I mean by

1659
01:12:45,649 --> 01:12:43,739
disclosure is is have they identified

1660
01:12:48,799 --> 01:12:45,659
what it is or anything like that and

1661
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:48,809
have they done anything with Congress to

1662
01:12:54,020 --> 01:12:51,570
get them to openly tell you what we're

1663
01:12:56,089 --> 01:12:54,030
dealing with no everybody that they've

1664
01:12:57,470 --> 01:12:56,099
interviewed said it's classified they're

1665
01:12:58,850 --> 01:12:57,480
not going to talk about the Navy says

1666
01:13:00,890 --> 01:12:58,860
we're not gonna talk about it the Army's

1667
01:13:02,689 --> 01:13:00,900
not going to talk about it and whether

1668
01:13:05,770 --> 01:13:02,699
you like the president or not he came

1669
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:05,780
back and gave a clear uh-uh

1670
01:13:10,459 --> 01:13:08,489
interview that he basically said he's

1671
01:13:12,350 --> 01:13:10,469
not disputing the pilots but he's saying

1672
01:13:15,899 --> 01:13:12,360
it isn't what people think it is yeah

1673
01:13:22,290 --> 01:13:15,909
it's not UFOs right the

1674
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:22,300
the the consistency of this happening

1675
01:13:27,870 --> 01:13:25,449
during naval exercises on both coasts

1676
01:13:32,100 --> 01:13:27,880
right and two different incidents and

1677
01:13:34,770 --> 01:13:32,110
then I had somebody that reached out to

1678
01:13:37,410 --> 01:13:34,780
this program you know about it to

1679
01:13:38,220 --> 01:13:37,420
everybody knows about it now who was in

1680
01:13:42,229 --> 01:13:38,230
the Coast Guard

1681
01:13:45,780 --> 01:13:42,239
a year before the 2004 Tic Tac incident

1682
01:13:48,300 --> 01:13:45,790
was asked by the captain of his ship

1683
01:13:51,899 --> 01:13:48,310
that he was on the for the crew to go up

1684
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:51,909
above deck and look to the skies and and

1685
01:13:56,819 --> 01:13:55,090
observe what was about to happen and it

1686
01:13:59,069 --> 01:13:56,829
was a high flying craft they they

1687
01:13:59,939 --> 01:13:59,079
thought it might have been an sr-71 it

1688
01:14:04,830 --> 01:13:59,949
was up really high

1689
01:14:08,939 --> 01:14:04,840
dropped a white drone down from 60,000

1690
01:14:13,830 --> 01:14:08,949
feet and it came down above was a level

1691
01:14:17,129 --> 01:14:13,840
this was 2003 okay and so that this was

1692
01:14:19,859 --> 01:14:17,139
not a UFO this was dropped from one of

1693
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:19,869
our aircraft and they watched it being

1694
01:14:28,770 --> 01:14:26,170
tested and could this be another version

1695
01:14:32,069 --> 01:14:28,780
or the say it doesn't matter of what the

1696
01:14:37,010 --> 01:14:32,079
tic-tac was and that it this has nothing

1697
01:14:40,169 --> 01:14:37,020
to do with with et or off world

1698
01:14:42,540 --> 01:14:40,179
technology or civilizations but that all

1699
01:14:46,290 --> 01:14:42,550
of this folds back to and comes back

1700
01:14:49,010 --> 01:14:46,300
around with what is going on with TTS a

1701
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:49,020
today which is government contracts

1702
01:14:55,229 --> 01:14:52,210
disappearing ships and tanks and an

1703
01:14:58,740 --> 01:14:55,239
advanced technology and and terahertz

1704
01:15:00,720 --> 01:14:58,750
radiation affecting different materials

1705
01:15:03,750 --> 01:15:00,730
it seems like that's what we're dealing

1706
01:15:06,450 --> 01:15:03,760
with here John well yeah no doubt and if

1707
01:15:09,030 --> 01:15:06,460
you go back if you do any if you do any

1708
01:15:11,310 --> 01:15:09,040
research at all terahertz didn't even

1709
01:15:13,890 --> 01:15:11,320
come onto the picture until basically

1710
01:15:14,550 --> 01:15:13,900
when put off and green well we knew

1711
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:14,560
about it

1712
01:15:22,410 --> 01:15:18,610
so they brought Linda Moulton Howe down

1713
01:15:26,399 --> 01:15:22,420
to Austin and then she devotes that in

1714
01:15:27,420 --> 01:15:26,409
on her while Whitley and then coast to

1715
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:27,430
coast mm-hmm

1716
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:29,770
and they wanted a terahertz out and then

1717
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:31,810
they went further with this and Jacobson

1718
01:15:37,290 --> 01:15:35,530
and then Greene who it was just amazing

1719
01:15:39,480 --> 01:15:37,300
because I was kind of led to believe

1720
01:15:41,790 --> 01:15:39,490
this was all supposed to be quiet and I

1721
01:15:43,110 --> 01:15:41,800
never said much about it because first

1722
01:15:46,050 --> 01:15:43,120
of all who's gonna believe me in the

1723
01:15:47,820 --> 01:15:46,060
first place but second of all um I was

1724
01:15:49,500 --> 01:15:47,830
asked to keep quiet and then they devote

1725
01:15:51,540 --> 01:15:49,510
some of the stuff that Jacobson and

1726
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:51,550
Danny turns around it goes on a dub top

1727
01:15:56,610 --> 01:15:54,130
secret which everybody you know in the

1728
01:15:59,010 --> 01:15:56,620
UFO world says it's a debunking site but

1729
01:16:00,450 --> 01:15:59,020
he comes on and they're debating after

1730
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:00,460
we announced my settlement with the

1731
01:16:04,140 --> 01:16:02,650
government which they did say I was

1732
01:16:05,670 --> 01:16:04,150
injured in the line of duty in the

1733
01:16:08,610 --> 01:16:05,680
forest during the Rendlesham incident

1734
01:16:11,310 --> 01:16:08,620
but they've never clarified what injured

1735
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:11,320
me but he comes on and says yeah that's

1736
01:16:15,330 --> 01:16:11,650
right

1737
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:15,340
and he laid out a spiel on what what

1738
01:16:22,140 --> 01:16:18,970
injured me that they there is there's

1739
01:16:24,150 --> 01:16:22,150
proof that it's there and that you know

1740
01:16:27,690 --> 01:16:24,160
when I went through the whole spill so

1741
01:16:32,130 --> 01:16:27,700
this is a definitely they're moving

1742
01:16:34,740 --> 01:16:32,140
forward with a program that I think has

1743
01:16:36,330 --> 01:16:34,750
very little to do with disclosure okay

1744
01:16:39,420 --> 01:16:36,340
and it has more to do with technology

1745
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:39,430
that's my personal opinion now I'll have

1746
01:16:44,220 --> 01:16:40,810
the haters coming after me and say I'm

1747
01:16:46,650 --> 01:16:44,230
full of crap but ultimately um I bet

1748
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:46,660
Linda twice already in both years I said

1749
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:48,250
there won't be disclosed and all these

1750
01:16:51,450 --> 01:16:49,570
people said there's gonna be disclosure

1751
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:51,460
in eighteen and it didn't happen where

1752
01:16:53,220 --> 01:16:52,810
at the end of nineteen it's not gonna

1753
01:16:55,260 --> 01:16:53,230
happen

1754
01:16:57,930 --> 01:16:55,270
we're not gonna see disclosure and in

1755
01:16:59,820 --> 01:16:57,940
fact without revealing who inside or

1756
01:17:01,800 --> 01:16:59,830
more than one inside they've even told

1757
01:17:03,900 --> 01:17:01,810
me that don't even think about any of

1758
01:17:07,050 --> 01:17:03,910
that even coming close to even getting

1759
01:17:11,820 --> 01:17:07,060
on on the radar for another seven to ten

1760
01:17:15,690 --> 01:17:11,830
years for whatever reason what okay so

1761
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:15,700
ultimately what do you think we will

1762
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:17,530
continue this of course after the break

1763
01:17:28,860 --> 01:17:21,730
but ultimately what are we dealing with

1764
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:28,870
here is is T TSA a government project

1765
01:17:37,050 --> 01:17:33,370
that is done outside of the Pentagon

1766
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:37,060
where it is disguised as a public

1767
01:17:43,380 --> 01:17:40,810
benefit corporation but yet it is

1768
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:43,390
aft by ex-cia and DOD and

1769
01:17:49,050 --> 01:17:46,210
counterintelligence professionals

1770
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:49,060
career professionals and that is

1771
01:17:56,010 --> 01:17:54,130
actually what is going on well okay

1772
01:17:58,950 --> 01:17:56,020
you can't get through the veil of

1773
01:18:00,990 --> 01:17:58,960
secrecy with these guys like little

1774
01:18:03,870 --> 01:18:01,000
crack a joke like well I don't know if I

1775
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:03,880
sell my clearance or not well if you've

1776
01:18:08,550 --> 01:18:06,610
left Department of Defense and you're

1777
01:18:10,170 --> 01:18:08,560
not actively working with them or they

1778
01:18:13,170 --> 01:18:10,180
have any intentions of bringing you back

1779
01:18:15,750 --> 01:18:13,180
your clearance is deactivated and after

1780
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:15,760
two years your decertified but he would

1781
01:18:22,020 --> 01:18:18,370
know that but he makes it look like he

1782
01:18:24,870 --> 01:18:22,030
doesn't know and I can't tell you today

1783
01:18:27,660 --> 01:18:24,880
the status of melon and put off and

1784
01:18:32,100 --> 01:18:27,670
green but I know when I was dealing with

1785
01:18:34,500 --> 01:18:32,110
put off and green back in 2010 to about

1786
01:18:38,550 --> 01:18:34,510
15 they were actively working inside the

1787
01:18:41,220 --> 01:18:38,560
government well the last in the last few

1788
01:18:43,500 --> 01:18:41,230
months when I wrote those guys to ask

1789
01:18:47,220 --> 01:18:43,510
the you know for comment or to come on

1790
01:18:49,410 --> 01:18:47,230
the show they had both said nearly

1791
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:49,420
identical by the way word for word like

1792
01:18:53,850 --> 01:18:51,370
it was a cut and paste response a little

1793
01:18:59,070 --> 01:18:53,860
bit different but they said that they

1794
01:19:00,150 --> 01:18:59,080
both have security oaths with the United

1795
01:19:03,390 --> 01:19:00,160
States and they're not going to break

1796
01:19:07,650 --> 01:19:03,400
those right and you have to look at this

1797
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:07,660
those guys got okay this is just as

1798
01:19:11,310 --> 01:19:09,250
probably gonna tick people off again too

1799
01:19:13,050 --> 01:19:11,320
but I wish I just had a little bit of

1800
01:19:17,970 --> 01:19:13,060
the money Bassets wasted over the years

1801
01:19:18,990 --> 01:19:17,980
and and and the the other people that

1802
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:19,000
think they're going to go up and get

1803
01:19:22,770 --> 01:19:20,770
register as lobbyists they're going to

1804
01:19:24,900 --> 01:19:22,780
get somewhere with this or not you

1805
01:19:26,700 --> 01:19:24,910
you're gonna get to an aid okay and if

1806
01:19:29,580 --> 01:19:26,710
you're lucky and it won't be a senior

1807
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:29,590
aide most of the time and but these guys

1808
01:19:33,630 --> 01:19:31,690
can walk up there and get in the front

1809
01:19:37,140 --> 01:19:33,640
door and meet directly with these

1810
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:37,150
Congress people okay and what's that

1811
01:19:41,070 --> 01:19:39,370
tell you you don't get in to these

1812
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:41,080
committees you don't meet with McCain

1813
01:19:45,310 --> 01:19:43,210
you don't get these briefings unless you

1814
01:19:47,110 --> 01:19:45,320
stole it security Clarence

1815
01:19:49,060 --> 01:19:47,120
when so that means they're still

1816
01:19:53,470 --> 01:19:49,070
actively working inside the government

1817
01:19:56,050 --> 01:19:53,480
well and somebody got the Navy to to

1818
01:19:58,480 --> 01:19:56,060
come out and say that the objects in

1819
01:20:01,840 --> 01:19:58,490
those three videos are unidentified

1820
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:01,850
aerial phenomenon when when you read

1821
01:20:08,730 --> 01:20:04,850
that news what what went through your

1822
01:20:11,140 --> 01:20:08,740
mind are we are they saying UFOs or

1823
01:20:13,480 --> 01:20:11,150
robots where you go back to condign what

1824
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:13,490
is a UAP number one and the second thing

1825
01:20:18,790 --> 01:20:17,690
is which is is it Valley within what you

1826
01:20:21,130 --> 01:20:18,800
can read through it

1827
01:20:24,460 --> 01:20:21,140
besides the FOIA I did is that it has to

1828
01:20:27,100 --> 01:20:24,470
do with plasmas in frequencies and an

1829
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:27,110
energy field but ultimately the Navy had

1830
01:20:31,450 --> 01:20:29,090
no choice now whether or not they were

1831
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:31,460
the Navy was just going to do this to

1832
01:20:35,260 --> 01:20:33,410
get funding so let's say they've got

1833
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:35,270
people inside these military services

1834
01:20:39,190 --> 01:20:36,650
and said we got to have this technology

1835
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:39,200
for whatever reason then they could be

1836
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:41,690
playing along or it could be the other

1837
01:20:47,980 --> 01:20:44,090
way where these guys want they've got

1838
01:20:49,750 --> 01:20:47,990
these stuff prototypes Rd papers

1839
01:20:51,700 --> 01:20:49,760
everything else and they know it's gonna

1840
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:51,710
work and they're having trouble getting

1841
01:20:56,470 --> 01:20:54,650
the money and and so they're they forced

1842
01:20:58,900 --> 01:20:56,480
some things because it was interesting

1843
01:21:01,030 --> 01:20:58,910
when the Navy said well we didn't say

1844
01:21:02,820 --> 01:21:01,040
these dot these videos were classified

1845
01:21:06,670 --> 01:21:02,830
these weren't cleared for release

1846
01:21:08,500 --> 01:21:06,680
let's take oh go ahead so they put the

1847
01:21:10,390 --> 01:21:08,510
Navy on the spot if they weren't already

1848
01:21:12,100 --> 01:21:10,400
if they weren't playing along where they

1849
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:12,110
had to say something well that's right

1850
01:21:15,550 --> 01:21:13,730
that's what they got the Congress people

1851
01:21:17,530 --> 01:21:15,560
starting to get briefings on it yeah

1852
01:21:19,150 --> 01:21:17,540
absolutely and we're gonna continue this

1853
01:21:21,700 --> 01:21:19,160
when we come back our guest tonight John

1854
01:21:24,580 --> 01:21:21,710
Burroughs we're discussing to the Stars

1855
01:21:27,850 --> 01:21:24,590
Academy a tip and the group of

1856
01:21:29,710 --> 01:21:27,860
individuals that is staffing the to the

1857
01:21:30,420 --> 01:21:29,720
Stars Academy we'll be right back after

1858
01:21:34,500 --> 01:21:30,430
this short

1859
01:21:45,060 --> 01:21:42,950
[Music]

1860
01:21:47,850 --> 01:21:45,070
welcome back fade to black our guest

1861
01:21:50,310 --> 01:21:47,860
tonight John Burroughs we just put up a

1862
01:21:51,930 --> 01:21:50,320
poll reader put up a poll that's in

1863
01:21:54,689 --> 01:21:51,940
Twitter about the best show of the week

1864
01:21:56,430 --> 01:21:54,699
and that has never happened before

1865
01:22:01,260 --> 01:21:56,440
because we've had three amazing shows

1866
01:22:03,979 --> 01:22:01,270
this week and John you're up you're up

1867
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:03,989
in this poll and the shows not even done

1868
01:22:09,180 --> 01:22:06,610
yeah that's pretty cool now okay you

1869
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:09,190
brought up a point tonight a few times

1870
01:22:18,930 --> 01:22:12,449
that we need to visit if we go back to

1871
01:22:21,209 --> 01:22:18,940
December 17th of 2017 and the days of

1872
01:22:24,030 --> 01:22:21,219
disclosure as that was called and it was

1873
01:22:30,359 --> 01:22:24,040
such a big deal and here we are we're

1874
01:22:34,350 --> 01:22:30,369
closing in now on 2020 and nothing has

1875
01:22:41,609 --> 01:22:34,360
happened since and it is my position

1876
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:41,619
that it's it's zero its zilch everything

1877
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:44,489
that happened happened back then and

1878
01:22:51,810 --> 01:22:48,449
today we've gotten nowhere but the

1879
01:22:53,729 --> 01:22:51,820
counter-argument to that is despite

1880
01:22:56,189 --> 01:22:53,739
everything and all the issues that are

1881
01:22:58,109 --> 01:22:56,199
out there with Elizondo and and to the

1882
01:23:00,810 --> 01:22:58,119
stars and and everything else and the

1883
01:23:02,850 --> 01:23:00,820
mistakes that have been made that the

1884
01:23:05,669 --> 01:23:02,860
counter-argument is but but we're

1885
01:23:09,990 --> 01:23:05,679
talking about UFOs so nothing else

1886
01:23:14,189 --> 01:23:10,000
matters wait how do you deal with that

1887
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:14,199
well for me okay I look at it through a

1888
01:23:19,140 --> 01:23:16,530
little bit different perspective okay

1889
01:23:20,939 --> 01:23:19,150
alright if you just want to talk about

1890
01:23:22,890 --> 01:23:20,949
UFOs great you're right there's more

1891
01:23:26,069 --> 01:23:22,900
there's more to it they're talking about

1892
01:23:27,959 --> 01:23:26,079
it more but it's the quality there's

1893
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:27,969
quantity but there's not quality and

1894
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:31,090
what I mean by quality is is that you

1895
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:33,730
you can go any network and they've got a

1896
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:35,770
panel of experts on a lot of different

1897
01:23:42,810 --> 01:23:39,210
things but there's nobody to this day

1898
01:23:44,819 --> 01:23:42,820
that they you know there's no panel and

1899
01:23:46,500 --> 01:23:44,829
I'm not talking about guys like Dolan

1900
01:23:47,669 --> 01:23:46,510
and I'm not trying to jam on them but

1901
01:23:49,919 --> 01:23:47,679
they're not experts I'm talk about

1902
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:49,929
scientists stuff so no this is being

1903
01:23:54,209 --> 01:23:52,210
moved forward with these guys talking

1904
01:23:55,950 --> 01:23:54,219
about the possibilities of whatever's

1905
01:23:58,500 --> 01:23:55,960
going on technology you

1906
01:24:00,270 --> 01:23:58,510
go on sixty minutes and they're

1907
01:24:01,650 --> 01:24:00,280
interviewing Nevada's contract with the

1908
01:24:03,900 --> 01:24:01,660
government and he drops the bombshell

1909
01:24:05,790 --> 01:24:03,910
that I thought was pretty impressive and

1910
01:24:07,650 --> 01:24:05,800
pretty gutsy for a guy there's still in

1911
01:24:08,940 --> 01:24:07,660
the Department of Defense you know and

1912
01:24:11,910 --> 01:24:08,950
everything else to say yeah they're here

1913
01:24:15,660 --> 01:24:11,920
deal with it but ultimately the 60

1914
01:24:19,020 --> 01:24:15,670
minutes follow up on it no and they

1915
01:24:20,820 --> 01:24:19,030
didn't follow up on it after after the

1916
01:24:22,350 --> 01:24:20,830
you know New York Times story and stuff

1917
01:24:24,660 --> 01:24:22,360
you would think they would at least do a

1918
01:24:26,220 --> 01:24:24,670
piece on what where we are technology

1919
01:24:29,130 --> 01:24:26,230
wise today and where did we get it and

1920
01:24:31,770 --> 01:24:29,140
how we've advanced and why would Bigelow

1921
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:31,780
say that no so you're not getting the

1922
01:24:37,979 --> 01:24:35,890
serious news and that unidentified they

1923
01:24:39,540 --> 01:24:37,989
made these bold promises to me even that

1924
01:24:41,930 --> 01:24:39,550
they were going to do differently it was

1925
01:24:44,940 --> 01:24:41,940
just another version of ancient aliens

1926
01:24:47,070 --> 01:24:44,950
so it's all entertainment and it's all

1927
01:24:49,650 --> 01:24:47,080
based on people making money off of it

1928
01:24:51,209 --> 01:24:49,660
and that's not what I'm about I want to

1929
01:24:52,620 --> 01:24:51,219
know what the hell is going on I want to

1930
01:24:55,950 --> 01:24:52,630
know what happened to me within reason

1931
01:24:57,750 --> 01:24:55,960
on national security whatever you want

1932
01:24:58,560 --> 01:24:57,760
to justify that ass do you understand

1933
01:25:02,040 --> 01:24:58,570
what I mean I do

1934
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:02,050
and because of the way that everything

1935
01:25:08,729 --> 01:25:05,290
was handled and I'm talking about the

1936
01:25:10,650 --> 01:25:08,739
the three videos whether they were

1937
01:25:12,930 --> 01:25:10,660
released by the Pentagon or not whether

1938
01:25:15,300 --> 01:25:12,940
Elizondo had anything to do with it or

1939
01:25:17,209 --> 01:25:15,310
not the fact that two of them were

1940
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:17,219
already out in the public domain

1941
01:25:22,979 --> 01:25:20,410
beforehand anyway but does that mean

1942
01:25:25,260 --> 01:25:22,989
we're not going to see anything coming

1943
01:25:28,740 --> 01:25:25,270
out of the Pentagon when it comes to

1944
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:28,750
videos in the future well you just have

1945
01:25:34,950 --> 01:25:30,730
to go by what the Navy said what did

1946
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:34,960
they say they said we're gonna make it

1947
01:25:39,390 --> 01:25:37,330
easier for the pilot report it and we're

1948
01:25:42,209 --> 01:25:39,400
gonna investigate it but and they made a

1949
01:25:44,729 --> 01:25:42,219
big deal they did this celebration you

1950
01:25:45,959 --> 01:25:44,739
know uh none identify know that but but

1951
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:45,969
oh wait a minute

1952
01:25:53,910 --> 01:25:49,330
when I tell you what we find out well

1953
01:25:56,030 --> 01:25:53,920
what was for me the and I think the

1954
01:26:00,630 --> 01:25:56,040
public grabbed onto this pretty quickly

1955
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:00,640
it wasn't to the stars that got the Navy

1956
01:26:06,690 --> 01:26:05,530
to admit or use the the term UAP it was

1957
01:26:08,650 --> 01:26:06,700
john greenwald

1958
01:26:10,660 --> 01:26:08,660
and with with this

1959
01:26:12,370 --> 01:26:10,670
that is there and you just mentioned it

1960
01:26:14,490 --> 01:26:12,380
they these guys can go and open up all

1961
01:26:16,690 --> 01:26:14,500
the doors that they need to open

1962
01:26:19,300 --> 01:26:16,700
directly you don't need a lobbyist or

1963
01:26:21,310 --> 01:26:19,310
somebody else but it wasn't them that

1964
01:26:24,100 --> 01:26:21,320
did the big revelation about the Navy

1965
01:26:27,250 --> 01:26:24,110
and you ApS and those videos it was John

1966
01:26:30,130 --> 01:26:27,260
Greenwald and it was actually stumbled

1967
01:26:32,410 --> 01:26:30,140
upon it was an accidental that happened

1968
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:32,420
but it was John that revealed that it

1969
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:34,010
wasn't to the stars that brought that

1970
01:26:38,380 --> 01:26:36,410
forward even though they acted like it

1971
01:26:40,300 --> 01:26:38,390
was a big deal and they did make a big

1972
01:26:43,270 --> 01:26:40,310
deal out of it it didn't come from to

1973
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:43,280
the stars right okay that's fair but I

1974
01:26:47,740 --> 01:26:44,810
don't think it was an accident by

1975
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:47,750
greenwall he's doing some same of the

1976
01:26:53,290 --> 01:26:49,970
same things and I'm not trying to say

1977
01:26:56,170 --> 01:26:53,300
that he's emulating me you know he's

1978
01:26:58,630 --> 01:26:56,180
doing his own thing but he's doing the

1979
01:27:00,640 --> 01:26:58,640
kind of stuff that I support believe in

1980
01:27:02,470 --> 01:27:00,650
he's going after documents Paul Dean

1981
01:27:04,900 --> 01:27:02,480
does a good job of that too and they're

1982
01:27:06,070 --> 01:27:04,910
going after documents and then they're

1983
01:27:07,480 --> 01:27:06,080
trying to learn what they learned from

1984
01:27:10,360 --> 01:27:07,490
that document go off to the next

1985
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:10,370
document and wasn't an accident I don't

1986
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:12,770
know why would the why did they give it

1987
01:27:18,010 --> 01:27:15,410
away I mean that's the interesting thing

1988
01:27:20,650 --> 01:27:18,020
did they they didn't have to do that so

1989
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:20,660
he did due diligence and he got them to

1990
01:27:23,710 --> 01:27:22,250
admit stuff and then and then you've got

1991
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:23,720
people saying well he's just part of the

1992
01:27:27,790 --> 01:27:26,330
whole thing well I don't think so I mean

1993
01:27:30,130 --> 01:27:27,800
there was a backstory to why the

1994
01:27:31,660 --> 01:27:30,140
government released it and could it be

1995
01:27:33,340 --> 01:27:31,670
somewhat because of the pressure that

1996
01:27:35,740 --> 01:27:33,350
was going on within Congress I don't

1997
01:27:38,140 --> 01:27:35,750
know that's a good question but he's

1998
01:27:40,950 --> 01:27:38,150
doing stuff that should be done and I

1999
01:27:44,350 --> 01:27:40,960
know he catches flak and he's not um

2000
01:27:49,330 --> 01:27:44,360
he's not a DeLong supporter and neither

2001
01:27:52,390 --> 01:27:49,340
am i because this is serious and I don't

2002
01:27:54,220 --> 01:27:52,400
want a rockstar with the way he does

2003
01:27:58,360 --> 01:27:54,230
these things and why he talks and acts

2004
01:27:59,650 --> 01:27:58,370
and the lack of things people trying to

2005
01:28:01,900 --> 01:27:59,660
get things done behind the scenes that

2006
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:01,910
have been blown off or not followed up

2007
01:28:06,010 --> 01:28:04,250
with that isn't who I want representing

2008
01:28:07,930 --> 01:28:06,020
what happened to me and everything else

2009
01:28:09,610 --> 01:28:07,940
and I if that pisses them all off I

2010
01:28:11,140 --> 01:28:09,620
don't care and that's the difference

2011
01:28:15,820 --> 01:28:11,150
between me and Dolan and those guys I

2012
01:28:18,140 --> 01:28:15,830
don't care the speaking about the future

2013
01:28:20,899 --> 01:28:18,150
when

2014
01:28:23,959 --> 01:28:20,909
I think all of us assumed and I was very

2015
01:28:26,060 --> 01:28:23,969
excited that to the Stars was about

2016
01:28:28,580 --> 01:28:26,070
disclosure and supporting this community

2017
01:28:30,169 --> 01:28:28,590
but let me ask you was it about this

2018
01:28:31,790 --> 01:28:30,179
culture who said it was about disclosure

2019
01:28:35,359 --> 01:28:31,800
within to the Stars other than go on

2020
01:28:39,260 --> 01:28:35,369
well I was just going to say I was going

2021
01:28:43,430 --> 01:28:39,270
to reference this statement that Tom had

2022
01:28:46,910 --> 01:28:43,440
me read on the air for coast to coast

2023
01:28:48,589 --> 01:28:46,920
and in that statement I'm looking

2024
01:28:52,700 --> 01:28:48,599
forward here

2025
01:28:57,740 --> 01:28:52,710
Papapa Papapa in that statement here it

2026
01:29:02,810 --> 01:28:57,750
is this is he says this was now check

2027
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:02,820
this out John this is December 29th this

2028
01:29:10,939 --> 01:29:06,090
is my New Year's Eve weekend show at

2029
01:29:14,209 --> 01:29:10,949
coast to coast 2017 statement from Tom

2030
01:29:16,700 --> 01:29:14,219
DeLonge it says I'd like to thank you

2031
01:29:19,430 --> 01:29:16,710
I'd like to say for all of your support

2032
01:29:22,339 --> 01:29:19,440
I want to thank you and as you know I

2033
01:29:24,530 --> 01:29:22,349
created a vehicle that my team was able

2034
01:29:26,870 --> 01:29:24,540
to supercharge and get the Pentagon to

2035
01:29:29,570 --> 01:29:26,880
officially acknowledge the existence of

2036
01:29:31,609 --> 01:29:29,580
unidentified aerial phenomena Senator

2037
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:31,619
Harry Reid the former Majority Leader

2038
01:29:36,169 --> 01:29:33,570
went on the record as well

2039
01:29:38,419 --> 01:29:36,179
Congress has ignited and briefings will

2040
01:29:40,700 --> 01:29:38,429
be starting soon of all goes well so

2041
01:29:44,390 --> 01:29:40,710
bear with me as we start talking about

2042
01:29:47,330 --> 01:29:44,400
more gun camera footage Hardware in even

2043
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:47,340
more expansive military encounters it's

2044
01:29:52,609 --> 01:29:49,530
all coming but it's going to trickle out

2045
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:52,619
over the months ahead I want to thank

2046
01:30:00,280 --> 01:29:55,650
all of you again I am one of you I am a

2047
01:30:05,750 --> 01:30:00,290
truth seeker Tom DeLonge 12 29 2017

2048
01:30:07,970 --> 01:30:05,760
that's two years ago right and and and

2049
01:30:11,859 --> 01:30:07,980
and here we are today talking about the

2050
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:11,869
future once again chasing our tails and

2051
01:30:19,939 --> 01:30:16,290
the last thing that has happened with to

2052
01:30:23,570 --> 01:30:19,949
the Stars is a defense agreement with

2053
01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:23,580
the army to look at metamaterials and

2054
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:26,489
the army whatever they discover from

2055
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:30,570
that gets to keep the tech well why and

2056
01:30:33,570 --> 01:30:31,810
that was one of my other

2057
01:30:37,470 --> 01:30:33,580
questions that I've brought up before

2058
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:37,480
first of all whatever technology listen

2059
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:39,970
people and anybody's been inside the

2060
01:30:43,440 --> 01:30:41,770
government knows this if there's

2061
01:30:47,790 --> 01:30:43,450
something out there the military wants

2062
01:30:50,820 --> 01:30:47,800
they're gonna take it so that's just

2063
01:30:53,550 --> 01:30:50,830
another reinforcement that put off and

2064
01:30:56,370 --> 01:30:53,560
some of these other guys are working

2065
01:31:00,060 --> 01:30:56,380
hand in hand with the DoD for technology

2066
01:31:01,410 --> 01:31:00,070
and that they are patriots what they

2067
01:31:05,250 --> 01:31:01,420
told you they're not going to disclose

2068
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:05,260
classified material so they're not in

2069
01:31:10,500 --> 01:31:08,290
this for disclosure they're in this the

2070
01:31:13,260 --> 01:31:10,510
further technology and is that the wrong

2071
01:31:16,650 --> 01:31:13,270
thing if they developed a starship and

2072
01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:16,660
they go to the stars like they want I

2073
01:31:22,470 --> 01:31:19,210
don't have a problem with that okay the

2074
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:22,480
problem I have is don't mislead okay and

2075
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:24,370
some of it is the general public's fall

2076
01:31:28,170 --> 01:31:26,650
or the people within ufology just

2077
01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:28,180
because New York Times wrote an article

2078
01:31:32,580 --> 01:31:30,370
and just because we talk about it more

2079
01:31:35,070 --> 01:31:32,590
that's not a bad thing but that ain't

2080
01:31:36,660 --> 01:31:35,080
disclosure folks and Bigelow said we're

2081
01:31:40,290 --> 01:31:36,670
not gonna have disclosure for a long

2082
01:31:42,510 --> 01:31:40,300
time if we have it and ultimately this

2083
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:42,520
is all going to continue to be buried

2084
01:31:47,790 --> 01:31:45,010
inside the secret deep state world or

2085
01:31:50,910 --> 01:31:47,800
whatever Bassett calls it because they

2086
01:31:52,650 --> 01:31:50,920
are not going to divulge military

2087
01:31:54,330 --> 01:31:52,660
technology secrets that's going to

2088
01:31:57,390 --> 01:31:54,340
benefit anybody else other than the

2089
01:31:58,830 --> 01:31:57,400
United States government where when

2090
01:32:02,040 --> 01:31:58,840
Chris Mellon stepped up to the

2091
01:32:04,410 --> 01:32:02,050
microphone back in October of 2017 you

2092
01:32:06,450 --> 01:32:04,420
know the famous mylar balloon photograph

2093
01:32:09,270 --> 01:32:06,460
you know and he steps up to the mic and

2094
01:32:11,190 --> 01:32:09,280
says and I'm quoting here this is

2095
01:32:14,220 --> 01:32:11,200
word-for-word it says clearly this is

2096
01:32:15,390 --> 01:32:14,230
not an experimental US aircraft but

2097
01:32:18,750 --> 01:32:15,400
whose is it

2098
01:32:22,260 --> 01:32:18,760
well that was Chris Mellon statement he

2099
01:32:25,500 --> 01:32:22,270
was talking about a mylar balloon and at

2100
01:32:29,010 --> 01:32:25,510
that point on that very day they started

2101
01:32:32,010 --> 01:32:29,020
to sell stock to the general public and

2102
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:32,020
for to the Stars Academy and they were

2103
01:32:38,250 --> 01:32:34,570
using that mylar balloon along with this

2104
01:32:42,180 --> 01:32:38,260
statement from Chris Mellon to sell that

2105
01:32:43,690 --> 01:32:42,190
stock and get to the bottom line of UFO

2106
01:32:46,210 --> 01:32:43,700
technology

2107
01:32:48,940 --> 01:32:46,220
and here we are today we're at the exact

2108
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:48,950
opposite of what the mission statement

2109
01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:50,330
was back then

2110
01:32:56,230 --> 01:32:53,210
versus now today and what to the Stars

2111
01:32:58,930 --> 01:32:56,240
is doing right right and you could say

2112
01:33:01,810 --> 01:32:58,940
that they may be trying to educate the

2113
01:33:04,900 --> 01:33:01,820
public whoever they is and what I mean

2114
01:33:07,210 --> 01:33:04,910
is obviously you know that the melon and

2115
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:07,220
put off and those guys are involved with

2116
01:33:11,620 --> 01:33:09,290
this with the long and the entertainment

2117
01:33:15,490 --> 01:33:11,630
in is is to re-educate the public on

2118
01:33:17,530 --> 01:33:15,500
what it is whatever that is and I can't

2119
01:33:19,510 --> 01:33:17,540
tell you what it is myself I have a

2120
01:33:22,090 --> 01:33:19,520
better understanding of some things

2121
01:33:24,460 --> 01:33:22,100
through documents and reading and stuff

2122
01:33:27,790 --> 01:33:24,470
but ultimately that ain't going to

2123
01:33:29,890 --> 01:33:27,800
happen anytime soon and the ultimate

2124
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:29,900
thing is I get tired of hearing people

2125
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:31,850
say well next month's disclosure and

2126
01:33:36,220 --> 01:33:33,850
they're going to do it well I don't

2127
01:33:38,830 --> 01:33:36,230
believe for one minute they're going to

2128
01:33:42,970 --> 01:33:38,840
do it just for the national security

2129
01:33:46,480 --> 01:33:42,980
reason alone and and and if we ever

2130
01:33:48,970 --> 01:33:46,490
admit that were were there's something

2131
01:33:51,250 --> 01:33:48,980
else out there they've kind of done that

2132
01:33:53,830 --> 01:33:51,260
anyway so you can't tonight there's

2133
01:33:56,440 --> 01:33:53,840
something going on but they're not going

2134
01:33:57,670 --> 01:33:56,450
to clarify what it is you know you

2135
01:33:59,740 --> 01:33:57,680
understand what I'm saying are you

2136
01:34:01,960 --> 01:33:59,750
saying to the stars or the Department of

2137
01:34:04,540 --> 01:34:01,970
Defense well that I was one of your

2138
01:34:06,190 --> 01:34:04,550
questions is to the Stars just an arm or

2139
01:34:07,210 --> 01:34:06,200
an extension of the Department of

2140
01:34:10,480 --> 01:34:07,220
Defense that's right

2141
01:34:12,370 --> 01:34:10,490
and I would say based on what's going on

2142
01:34:18,580 --> 01:34:12,380
if they weren't when they started they

2143
01:34:24,580 --> 01:34:18,590
are now do you expect the clarification

2144
01:34:28,570 --> 01:34:24,590
of Lewis Elizondo and what his what his

2145
01:34:30,940 --> 01:34:28,580
job actually was and a full document

2146
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:30,950
disclosure so that part of this mess

2147
01:34:37,930 --> 01:34:33,410
could be put to bed can we expect that

2148
01:34:40,030 --> 01:34:37,940
as anybody asked look he's he's he's

2149
01:34:43,660 --> 01:34:40,040
certainly probably listening right now I

2150
01:34:45,970 --> 01:34:43,670
have yes I have written to the stars and

2151
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:45,980
and gave them a list of questions about

2152
01:34:51,310 --> 01:34:48,770
this right but I mean that's my point I

2153
01:34:52,840 --> 01:34:51,320
mean do I expect it well I would have

2154
01:34:56,290 --> 01:34:52,850
thought as soon as he came under attack

2155
01:34:57,050 --> 01:34:56,300
they would have done it say that again

2156
01:34:59,690 --> 01:34:57,060
well

2157
01:35:02,840 --> 01:34:59,700
okay I'll give you example when when I

2158
01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:02,850
announced to the world that I was got my

2159
01:35:08,780 --> 01:35:06,530
settlement right mm-hmm I proved it and

2160
01:35:11,630 --> 01:35:08,790
not only did I prove it I want to

2161
01:35:13,730 --> 01:35:11,640
reporter Billy Cox who verified the

2162
01:35:16,580 --> 01:35:13,740
documents the wrong story on it right

2163
01:35:18,410 --> 01:35:16,590
so I proved it and then kicked greenback

2164
01:35:20,810 --> 01:35:18,420
that up with more information

2165
01:35:22,280 --> 01:35:20,820
why hasn't why have they done that I

2166
01:35:25,790 --> 01:35:22,290
don't know

2167
01:35:28,790 --> 01:35:25,800
is it because let's see this is there's

2168
01:35:31,850 --> 01:35:28,800
another aspect to this though John when

2169
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:31,860
you have CNN Fox New York Times

2170
01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:33,690
Washington Post and every other media

2171
01:35:39,080 --> 01:35:36,090
outlet mainstream media that is reported

2172
01:35:42,710 --> 01:35:39,090
on this story has introduced Lou

2173
01:35:47,240 --> 01:35:42,720
Elizondo in print and in live video as

2174
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:47,250
being the director of a tip well dude

2175
01:35:55,970 --> 01:35:51,810
are where are the retractions and you

2176
01:35:58,850 --> 01:35:55,980
know why the the the question has been

2177
01:36:02,750 --> 01:35:58,860
raised does does mainstream media go

2178
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:02,760
back and and and correct the past you

2179
01:36:07,580 --> 01:36:05,730
know is that why to the stars is not

2180
01:36:10,610 --> 01:36:07,590
coming forward to clear this up because

2181
01:36:15,260 --> 01:36:10,620
you have the entire last two years that

2182
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:15,270
is going to have to be redacted well I

2183
01:36:19,700 --> 01:36:17,610
guess you could say that and what I mean

2184
01:36:21,140 --> 01:36:19,710
is is that well they lied about that or

2185
01:36:23,090 --> 01:36:21,150
weren't truthful about that what can you

2186
01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:23,100
believe at anything they're saying and

2187
01:36:26,540 --> 01:36:25,170
I'm gonna bring up another person's name

2188
01:36:27,950 --> 01:36:26,550
that you've had on the show and I've

2189
01:36:30,170 --> 01:36:27,960
dealt with and I wrote a book with the

2190
01:36:33,800 --> 01:36:30,180
Nick Pope he came out and said you know

2191
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:33,810
he ran the UFO desk at the mo D and then

2192
01:36:36,530 --> 01:36:35,010
there's been other people saying well

2193
01:36:39,230 --> 01:36:36,540
wait a minute all you did was a clerk

2194
01:36:41,660 --> 01:36:39,240
well then some documents just came out

2195
01:36:43,190 --> 01:36:41,670
in this last document dump to basically

2196
01:36:45,950 --> 01:36:43,200
verified what people were saying he was

2197
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:45,960
just basically a clerk inside the mo D

2198
01:36:49,700 --> 01:36:47,610
and he really had very little of any

2199
01:36:52,010 --> 01:36:49,710
knowledge on what went on and those are

2200
01:36:54,470 --> 01:36:52,020
declassified documents from the mo D and

2201
01:36:56,840 --> 01:36:54,480
Nick tried to spin his way out of it but

2202
01:36:59,090 --> 01:36:56,850
they're true and then the last thing is

2203
01:37:00,620 --> 01:36:59,100
a last heave-ho just like what they've

2204
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:00,630
done now with Lewis well they're just

2205
01:37:06,200 --> 01:37:02,570
trying to discredit him for what he is

2206
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:06,210
well wait a minute if you really are

2207
01:37:12,170 --> 01:37:09,570
what you say you are just show the proof

2208
01:37:14,540 --> 01:37:12,180
it would be easy you know the emails how

2209
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:14,550
about a business card how about a

2210
01:37:22,130 --> 01:37:19,050
schedule of events anything there must

2211
01:37:25,550 --> 01:37:22,140
be John it's very simple if you did this

2212
01:37:28,070 --> 01:37:25,560
for years then you are sitting on a pile

2213
01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:28,080
of stuff and if you are going to a

2214
01:37:34,340 --> 01:37:31,770
company and asking to be hired then you

2215
01:37:36,770 --> 01:37:34,350
have the documents to back up which you

2216
01:37:39,650 --> 01:37:36,780
are saying on your resume it's very

2217
01:37:41,510 --> 01:37:39,660
simple well right but see they've kind

2218
01:37:42,140 --> 01:37:41,520
of spun him out as a technical guy and

2219
01:37:44,260 --> 01:37:42,150
he's not

2220
01:37:47,120 --> 01:37:44,270
where's his background in technology I

2221
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:47,130
mean analyzing and technology and stuff

2222
01:37:51,380 --> 01:37:48,810
you have to get degrees in that and they

2223
01:37:53,690 --> 01:37:51,390
use different specializations so but

2224
01:37:55,370 --> 01:37:53,700
here's the thing that's the problem with

2225
01:37:58,400 --> 01:37:55,380
some of this the ones and zeros you call

2226
01:38:00,920 --> 01:37:58,410
it you know or the technicalities loulou

2227
01:38:03,320 --> 01:38:00,930
and does he have some knowledge and

2228
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:03,330
probably worked inside some of this no

2229
01:38:08,750 --> 01:38:06,330
doubt um have they made him bigger than

2230
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:08,760
life possibly could that backfire on him

2231
01:38:14,990 --> 01:38:12,170
maybe or did they do that purposely

2232
01:38:18,170 --> 01:38:15,000
because eventually what I'm waiting to

2233
01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:18,180
see is does this all fade away do you

2234
01:38:22,820 --> 01:38:20,850
think that he it feels like that could

2235
01:38:24,260 --> 01:38:22,830
be a real possibility well when they

2236
01:38:26,630 --> 01:38:24,270
came out and said they were about to go

2237
01:38:29,150 --> 01:38:26,640
broke about a year ago on the financials

2238
01:38:30,860 --> 01:38:29,160
right then then it was all paid upfront

2239
01:38:33,230 --> 01:38:30,870
and we're about to go broke and it could

2240
01:38:35,150 --> 01:38:33,240
all run out of funding that limit made

2241
01:38:36,740 --> 01:38:35,160
me believe like well my first comment

2242
01:38:38,750 --> 01:38:36,750
was well it's entertainment so they

2243
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:38,760
covered there but at that end and all

2244
01:38:40,460 --> 01:38:39,570
they're going to do is when they get

2245
01:38:43,130 --> 01:38:40,470
these contracts

2246
01:38:44,360 --> 01:38:43,140
what company that did they form or do

2247
01:38:46,250 --> 01:38:44,370
they already have which would be earth

2248
01:38:48,140 --> 01:38:46,260
tech that's going to get the contract

2249
01:38:50,780 --> 01:38:48,150
and that's that would be what if I was

2250
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:50,790
green wall if I was cuz if I was gonna

2251
01:38:57,860 --> 01:38:53,610
do it I'd like to find out I do the FOIA

2252
01:39:02,870 --> 01:38:57,870
on what who got the contract when you're

2253
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:02,880
well what company got it oh inside of at

2254
01:39:07,400 --> 01:39:05,610
ETS a yeah I don't TT essays

2255
01:39:09,620 --> 01:39:07,410
entertainment you're not gonna they did

2256
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:09,630
not get the government contract they did

2257
01:39:13,880 --> 01:39:11,730
not the United States Army did not award

2258
01:39:16,190 --> 01:39:13,890
a contract to an entertainment company

2259
01:39:19,790 --> 01:39:16,200
think about that for a minute right

2260
01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:19,800
right right now the people on NTSA are

2261
01:39:22,550 --> 01:39:21,930
involved in the contract but what

2262
01:39:29,120 --> 01:39:22,560
company

2263
01:39:30,890 --> 01:39:29,130
got the contract why why there's another

2264
01:39:34,670 --> 01:39:30,900
aspect of this too as well well we're

2265
01:39:37,250 --> 01:39:34,680
always trying to get everybody's

2266
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:37,260
collective experiences together and

2267
01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:40,170
let's you know let's put you know these

2268
01:39:44,570 --> 01:39:42,330
different situations together and try to

2269
01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:44,580
figure out what's going on but when it

2270
01:39:53,180 --> 01:39:50,730
comes to TTS a they want to control the

2271
01:39:55,070 --> 01:39:53,190
the narrative now when it comes to the

2272
01:39:58,130 --> 01:39:55,080
UFO question that everybody else is

2273
01:40:00,710 --> 01:39:58,140
wrong the community is wrong we've got

2274
01:40:03,440 --> 01:40:00,720
it completely off kilter and that they

2275
01:40:06,980 --> 01:40:03,450
are sitting on this information and it's

2276
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:06,990
their their story and that's how we move

2277
01:40:13,130 --> 01:40:09,930
forward is that dangerous well yeah

2278
01:40:15,710 --> 01:40:13,140
because well it depends see you've got

2279
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:15,720
guys with inside this organization that

2280
01:40:18,950 --> 01:40:17,370
know how to profile people and what's

2281
01:40:20,870 --> 01:40:18,960
the first thing they did lavinda came

2282
01:40:23,420 --> 01:40:20,880
out and said we don't care about the UFO

2283
01:40:25,310 --> 01:40:23,430
field well all that did was fire up the

2284
01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:25,320
euro fulfilled to get more involved you

2285
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:28,770
know in in it and some people did turn

2286
01:40:32,660 --> 01:40:30,690
against them but they slowly came back

2287
01:40:34,370 --> 01:40:32,670
and they bought people off as they want

2288
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:34,380
I don't want with different projects and

2289
01:40:38,750 --> 01:40:37,050
different things but ultimately um yeah

2290
01:40:40,850 --> 01:40:38,760
they want to be king of the hill and in

2291
01:40:42,290 --> 01:40:40,860
theory they are because they did get to

2292
01:40:44,870 --> 01:40:42,300
New York Times to do it and they have

2293
01:40:46,700 --> 01:40:44,880
gotten they can get in side the halls of

2294
01:40:50,930 --> 01:40:46,710
Congress and they can do all that and

2295
01:40:53,750 --> 01:40:50,940
that's great but ultimately where I draw

2296
01:40:55,670 --> 01:40:53,760
the line me personally is okay don't

2297
01:40:58,630 --> 01:40:55,680
sell me a bill of goods that you're

2298
01:41:01,100 --> 01:40:58,640
gonna benefit the country as far as

2299
01:41:03,470 --> 01:41:01,110
disclosure and all that other stuff when

2300
01:41:07,820 --> 01:41:03,480
that's not really what's taking place no

2301
01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:07,830
and here we are two years later and I

2302
01:41:14,180 --> 01:41:10,410
would I would definitely if I was a

2303
01:41:17,780 --> 01:41:14,190
betting man I would say that a year and

2304
01:41:21,050 --> 01:41:17,790
ten months has gone by with with no

2305
01:41:24,650 --> 01:41:21,060
revelations and I don't know what they

2306
01:41:26,840 --> 01:41:24,660
could do now to announce or make

2307
01:41:29,780 --> 01:41:26,850
something else another statement or

2308
01:41:31,490 --> 01:41:29,790
prove well here's what's got to me this

2309
01:41:34,730 --> 01:41:31,500
is what I'll have to happen you know

2310
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:34,740
it'll either be like a contact scenario

2311
01:41:38,600 --> 01:41:36,090
the movie contact you

2312
01:41:40,460 --> 01:41:38,610
doing I mean where you know they come

2313
01:41:42,380 --> 01:41:40,470
out they pick up the signal and they've

2314
01:41:45,020 --> 01:41:42,390
been hitting it that now for what two

2315
01:41:47,240 --> 01:41:45,030
years yes it they're analyzing that so

2316
01:41:48,950 --> 01:41:47,250
that could be the way they do it subtly

2317
01:41:51,140 --> 01:41:48,960
that there's a signal out there and it's

2318
01:41:53,240 --> 01:41:51,150
light-years away and but there seems to

2319
01:41:54,920 --> 01:41:53,250
be intelligence behind it and we're

2320
01:41:58,670 --> 01:41:54,930
gonna work on that that could be a safe

2321
01:42:02,390 --> 01:41:58,680
way to do it or the other way is what I

2322
01:42:05,120 --> 01:42:02,400
really for just a brief moment and I'm

2323
01:42:07,010 --> 01:42:05,130
not I don't I don't why I really wonder

2324
01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:07,020
what Trump was going to do when he went

2325
01:42:15,170 --> 01:42:12,690
on Tucker and the president whoever that

2326
01:42:17,270 --> 01:42:15,180
will be you know the next four years or

2327
01:42:19,400 --> 01:42:17,280
whenever they decide I still think

2328
01:42:22,340 --> 01:42:19,410
probably will be the one that will be

2329
01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:22,350
the driving force I don't know how it'll

2330
01:42:27,950 --> 01:42:24,330
come down but he'll be the one that

2331
01:42:31,820 --> 01:42:27,960
allows to the world that were not alone

2332
01:42:35,390 --> 01:42:31,830
I was checking my phone and the internet

2333
01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:35,400
like every 30 seconds when when that was

2334
01:42:41,690 --> 01:42:39,930
eminent and I was I was I was let down

2335
01:42:44,060 --> 01:42:41,700
and the reason why I was let down as

2336
01:42:46,400 --> 01:42:44,070
they held it off all the way to the end

2337
01:42:47,780 --> 01:42:46,410
of Tucker right playing it up like Homer

2338
01:42:50,030 --> 01:42:47,790
shalls' playing it up and thinking oh so

2339
01:42:53,150 --> 01:42:50,040
another and then it turned out to be 15

2340
01:42:57,350 --> 01:42:53,160
seconds of nothing at the end of the

2341
01:43:00,380 --> 01:42:57,360
show which shows you that Fox knows what

2342
01:43:02,240 --> 01:43:00,390
is driving advertising sales right the

2343
01:43:04,160 --> 01:43:02,250
UFO right it's entertainment and it's

2344
01:43:05,720 --> 01:43:04,170
bringing the money and that's what I

2345
01:43:08,540 --> 01:43:05,730
mean with there's there's been no

2346
01:43:09,950 --> 01:43:08,550
serious serious there's been no panel's

2347
01:43:13,760 --> 01:43:09,960
put together there's been no follow-up

2348
01:43:15,590 --> 01:43:13,770
you know anything like along the Sagan

2349
01:43:17,870 --> 01:43:15,600
type of thing what he did you know when

2350
01:43:20,360 --> 01:43:17,880
he did his documentaries there's been no

2351
01:43:22,370 --> 01:43:20,370
60 minutes you would think some news

2352
01:43:24,320 --> 01:43:22,380
organization went at least to do it to

2353
01:43:26,030 --> 01:43:24,330
our special you know I mean on the

2354
01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:26,040
one-year anniversary let alone the two

2355
01:43:31,160 --> 01:43:28,170
on what does this mean and what does it

2356
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:31,170
mean going forward and and I mean and I

2357
01:43:36,170 --> 01:43:33,930
don't just like Tucker Carlson but that

2358
01:43:38,090 --> 01:43:36,180
that whole thing was Tucker has no clue

2359
01:43:40,910 --> 01:43:38,100
to what he was just asking a question

2360
01:43:42,740 --> 01:43:40,920
that his staff put together well again

2361
01:43:44,390 --> 01:43:42,750
it was a couple potential follow-up

2362
01:43:49,370 --> 01:43:44,400
questions that he didn't do

2363
01:43:51,589 --> 01:43:49,380
the the the question is though and let's

2364
01:43:55,810 --> 01:43:51,599
let's wrap with this I mean the question

2365
01:43:59,089 --> 01:43:55,820
that everybody wants an answer to is

2366
01:44:01,850 --> 01:43:59,099
does the Pentagon or any of the

2367
01:44:07,570 --> 01:44:01,860
three-letter agencies are they in

2368
01:44:11,270 --> 01:44:07,580
possession of a crashed or given donated

2369
01:44:12,830 --> 01:44:11,280
alien ET craft form off of this planet

2370
01:44:14,660 --> 01:44:12,840
that's the question

2371
01:44:18,229 --> 01:44:14,670
it's not about contact or if we are

2372
01:44:22,040 --> 01:44:18,239
alone but do they have this technology

2373
01:44:25,310 --> 01:44:22,050
in their possession well I agree but the

2374
01:44:28,010 --> 01:44:25,320
biggest question is our advancements in

2375
01:44:30,890 --> 01:44:28,020
technology I think can be traced back

2376
01:44:33,260 --> 01:44:30,900
words if you do it right and there's

2377
01:44:35,839 --> 01:44:33,270
going to be some gaps and I think that

2378
01:44:38,720 --> 01:44:35,849
what did they learn and where is it from

2379
01:44:43,250 --> 01:44:38,730
and and people say that condign is not

2380
01:44:45,260 --> 01:44:43,260
important as a document in is it a

2381
01:44:47,359 --> 01:44:45,270
defining document no but there's a lot

2382
01:44:50,589 --> 01:44:47,369
of good stuff in there and there's a lot

2383
01:44:54,080 --> 01:44:50,599
of stuff that's still classified and a

2384
01:44:56,270 --> 01:44:54,090
it was the one that used the UAP first

2385
01:44:58,700 --> 01:44:56,280
and then clinton took off with her

2386
01:45:01,189 --> 01:44:58,710
little interviews and Podesta and all

2387
01:45:03,020 --> 01:45:01,199
that but ultimately there's something to

2388
01:45:05,570 --> 01:45:03,030
do what there's some kind of

2389
01:45:08,479 --> 01:45:05,580
intelligence there and the question is

2390
01:45:09,979 --> 01:45:08,489
is is it we were where did it come from

2391
01:45:11,930 --> 01:45:09,989
and one of the things that we can close

2392
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on is Eric Davis when he did our show

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said we any and and it was right at the

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end so I didn't get a chance to really

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visit it when I wanted to he said look

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at it this way he said we visited the

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moon and left technology behind he goes

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he implied it probably what some of

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what's going on is there was left behind

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technology at some point in the history

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01:45:39,709 --> 01:45:38,130
of the earth on the moon well no like

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01:45:42,620 --> 01:45:39,719
what we left in the mood some kind of

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01:45:44,689 --> 01:45:42,630
civilization left something oh oh here

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on planet Earth and we hope that doesn't

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01:45:48,350 --> 01:45:46,440
he didn't say they just visited our

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01:45:51,229 --> 01:45:48,360
visiting now he just said there's been

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01:45:53,180 --> 01:45:51,239
there's you can look at it was there's a

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01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:53,190
good chance of what we're looking at how

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01:45:56,540 --> 01:45:54,810
we left technology behind on the moon

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01:45:57,750 --> 01:45:56,550
some kind of civilization at some point

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left technology

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and you know I can I can already tell

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and I didn't think that we would do this

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01:46:12,150 --> 01:46:08,890
back in 2017 but here we are at the end

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01:46:15,000 --> 01:46:12,160
of a 2019 and we're gonna start hearing

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01:46:19,110 --> 01:46:15,010
well you know what we're gonna we're

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01:46:20,940 --> 01:46:19,120
gonna reveal next year it'll be 2020 do

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01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:20,950
anything during the elections well it

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01:46:24,840 --> 01:46:24,010
but it 2020 is gonna roll by and we're

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01:46:29,960 --> 01:46:24,850
gonna hear it

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01:46:34,320 --> 01:46:29,970
it'll be 2021 and then it'll be 2022

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01:46:36,690 --> 01:46:34,330
from John first insight sources that I

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01:46:40,200 --> 01:46:36,700
can't reveal said don't look for

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01:46:42,150 --> 01:46:40,210
anything until 2024 2025 there you go

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01:46:44,160 --> 01:46:42,160
John okay so what's up next I know

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01:46:46,200 --> 01:46:44,170
you're you're gonna be a contact in the

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01:46:48,270 --> 01:46:46,210
desert right yep gonna do the contact in

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01:46:49,440 --> 01:46:48,280
the desert they kept I was supposed to

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01:46:51,720 --> 01:46:49,450
go last year and they have family

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01:46:53,490 --> 01:46:51,730
emergency couldn't go gonna go and we're

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01:46:55,800 --> 01:46:53,500
gonna do a presentation it's 40 years

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01:46:57,600 --> 01:46:55,810
for Rendell's from next year and we're

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01:46:59,580 --> 01:46:57,610
also going to the attorney that helped

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01:47:02,280 --> 01:46:59,590
me with all this is going to going to be

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01:47:04,410 --> 01:47:02,290
there so we'll do a workshop and I'm I

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01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:04,420
still haven't gotten a hold of her yet

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01:47:07,740 --> 01:47:05,770
but I'm gonna try to Cheryl those

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01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:07,750
clothes by the lady that work with the

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01:47:11,160 --> 01:47:08,970
McCain's office and was unidentified

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01:47:14,250 --> 01:47:11,170
tried to get her to come up and talk a

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01:47:17,190 --> 01:47:14,260
little bit about her work in it and just

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01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:17,200
to show that there is something going on

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01:47:21,660 --> 01:47:18,970
because United States government I'm one

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01:47:23,220 --> 01:47:21,670
of the few that publicly has been

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01:47:24,660 --> 01:47:23,230
admitted to and there's one other guy

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01:47:26,100 --> 01:47:24,670
inside Reynolds from that's gotten a

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01:47:28,770 --> 01:47:26,110
settlement from the government for

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01:47:30,540 --> 01:47:28,780
injuries sustained during the event

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01:47:32,130 --> 01:47:30,550
so we encountered something and

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01:47:34,740 --> 01:47:32,140
according to the British it was you AP

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01:47:36,480 --> 01:47:34,750
radiation so oh there you go

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01:47:38,880 --> 01:47:36,490
thank you so much John be safe out there

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01:47:41,010 --> 01:47:38,890
best to the family and look forward to

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01:47:43,140 --> 01:47:41,020
seeing you in 2020 out there contacting

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01:47:46,440 --> 01:47:43,150
the day and Happy Holidays Jimmy thank

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01:47:49,440 --> 01:47:46,450
you John you too thanks yeah by John

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01:47:51,180 --> 01:47:49,450
Burroughs what a conversation yeah

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01:47:53,610 --> 01:47:51,190
that's a show of the week right there

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this is fade to black ayamaro stately

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Church I'm gonna take a quick break and

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when I come back I'm going to open up

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01:48:01,620 --> 01:48:01,120
the phone lines I want to hear from all

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01:48:03,240 --> 01:48:01,630
of you

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01:48:05,220 --> 01:48:03,250
this is fade to black and the game

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01:48:07,740 --> 01:48:05,230
changer network and cagey are a the

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